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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We do know that the York twelve were rung,=
and that=20
the 1705 articles for the ringers stipulated that the twelve should be rung=
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so on the whole I feel that they should go in the list, because a redu=
ction=20
did take place in 1765. Whether or not they were the first twelve desi=
gned=20
for changeringing is a separate issue from the indisputable fact that they =
were=20
a twelve hung for full-circle ringing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bow falls outside the scope of a list, I f=
eel,=20
because the "loss" was so much earlier - in 1665 - and we don't know for su=
re=20
how many bells there were before the fire</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The list - with York, but without Bow - ha=
s gone to=20
David Kelly</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CP</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=3Dmichael_wilby@y...=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 25, 2002 6:=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Red=
uctions=20
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<P>Well... if York can go on as 12, I think Bow should too!=20
<P>I'm not convinced that York were ever a proper instrument (same goes f=
or=20
Bow), and I think that St Bride's should be regarded as the first 12, not=
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least because they were created for the purpose of 12-bell ringing - the =
same=20
cannot be said of the other two. =20
<P>Anyway before anyone rubbishes the Bow claim again, isn't it peculiar =
that=20
the new tower was designed to house 12-bells, especially if they were not=
=20
considered to be a 12 before the fire? Both York and Bow are "nice=
=20
ideas" but in practical terms I don't believe either constitued a "ring" =
a=20
practitioners would recognise it.=20
<P>Michael.=20
<P> <B><I>Chris Pickford <c.j.pickford@t...></I></B> wr=
ote:=20
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lid"><TT>Fair=20
point. I've sent a revised list to David Kelly already, but I'll add<BR=
>York=20
Minster to my master list<BR><BR>Any more suggestions for=20
inclusion?<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "D=
avid=20
Bryant" <djb122@y...><BR>To:=20
<bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com><BR>Sent: Monday, February 25, 20=
02=20
3:46 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Reductions list<BR><BR><BR>&g=
t;=20
how about York Minster - 12 to ten then back to 12?<BR>><BR>>=20
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