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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The dates for each type of metal frame are=
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(as David Bryant has pointed out) in my <EM>Bellframes</EM> book. I=20
explored it pretty thoroughly at the time, with a lot of help from=20
Taylors. I know of a few small corrections - the Bond frame 8.3.A.f wa=
sn't=20
used until 1933 (not 1911) for instance - but I think most of the other dat=
es=20
are pretty sound. If not, let me know. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Kingweston and Davington frames are in=
cluded,=20
but these weren't the earliest Taylor cast iron frames. They seem to have b=
een=20
using A frames (8.3.C.a) as early as 1835</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro=
m:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddjb122@y... href=3D"mailto:djb122@y...">David Brya=
nt</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:03=
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Re:=
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Wrangle</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D270402508-02072002>Dickon wrote:</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D270402508-02072002><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=
=3D#000080=20
size=3D2>> There is a frame at Davington Priory in Kent dated 1856, fo=
r 3=20
bells. This was at one point considered the earliest metal=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D270402508-02072002><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=
=3D#000080=20
size=3D2>> frame after Liverpool, but I am not sure who by. Anyway, in=
the=20
light of this discussion, this info will need updating on </FONT></SPAN><=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D270402508-02072002><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=
=3D#000080=20
size=3D2>> Church Bells of Kent. The Davington frame was made by Taylo=
rs ...=20
perhaps this is their oldest known metal frame?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D270402508-02072002><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=
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size=3D2>Nope - it ain't. The frame for the two great exhibition bells (n=
ow 3/10=20
and 10/10 at Scarborough) had cast iron sides. I'm not sure about the fra=
me=20
for the other bells, but the frame was hacked about and the top tier=20
(containing 3/10) was removed by Gilletts in the 50s. We have some pictur=
es of=20
the work in progress in the YMSCR scrap books - I'll have a look thi=
s=20
evening if I remember. Incidentally, Jennings' bell fittings book states =
that=20
at least one of the exhibition bells was cast with a flat top and had a c=
ast=20
iron stock. We've got a picture of the tenor being lowered, and it clearl=
y has=20
canons (removed by G&J, I believe). Don't know about the 3rd, but it =
seems=20
more likely that if either was cast without canons it would be the b=
ig=20
one, as was common Taylor practice in the later C19.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D270402508-02072002><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=
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size=3D2>A complete early cast iron Taylor frame is at Kingweston, Somers=
et, and=20
dates from 1854. The five bells (which are tonally very good) are of the =
same=20
date, although the fittings have been replaced. The frame is of two tiers=
,=20
with 3,4,5 below with 'H' castings and the trebles above in high-sides 'A=
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frames. The A frames have iron tie bars across the top, but the foundatio=
ns to=20
both tiers and the top ties to the lower frame (which are the founda=
tion=20
of the upper frame) are of oak. The castings have a rebate in the centre =
of=20
their crossbar for a plain bearing brass, and are different from later Ta=
ylor=20
A and H castings in that they have curved braces supporting the crossbar =
-=20
sketches of them are given in Chris' bellframes book.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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