<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 16/08/02 23:02:11 GMT Daylight Time, csz_stl@s... writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>fundamentally I think that 'grotty' is when they sound nasty, which,<BR>
>it is probably fair to say, the majority of mid-Victorian rings do.<BR>
>Of course there are exceptions, but offhand I can't think of any<BR>
>1860s rings famed for their fine tone....<BR>
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Try Privett, Hants. I think theyre 1860's or 70's - Ill check my file when I get back to the office. F E Robinson & George Williams loved them.<BR>
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Matthew</FONT></HTML>