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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The bells were listed in earlier editions =
of "Dove"=20
as a 25 cwt 8, unringable. I submitted the tenor weight as the bell=20
referred to in the Whitechapel records is almost certainly - without actual=
ly=20
seeing it of having details from a reputable source I can't say any more=20
definitely than that - the original bell of 1797 of 24-3-25.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Whitechapel records actually provide t=
he=20
following details:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Peals book, 1=
797 =96 1=20
32</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 8.0pt">=BC=94</SPAN><=
SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">=
7-0-3, 2=20
33=BD=94 7-0-15, 3 35</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 8.0pt">=BC=94</SPAN><=
SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">=
8-2-26,=20
4 38=94 9-3-8, 5 41=94 12-1-18, 6 43=94 13-2-21, 7 47</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN=
-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 8.0pt">=BC=94</SPAN><=
SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">=
18-1-2,=20
8 53=94 24-3-25 and note =93recast 1, 2, 4 and 7, Sept 1845=94</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face=3D=
Arial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Daybook 20 Se=
pt.=20
1845 =96 Trinity Church, New York. Recast bells 7-1-4, 6-3-9, 9-1-6, 18-0-1=
0=20
=A3271.3.10, clappers =A34, stocks wheels etc =A332, cases & packing &a=
mp;=20
shipping charges =A35.18.6, total =A3313.2.4</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face=3D=
Arial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><?xml:namespa=
ce=20
prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"=20
/><o:p></o:p></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only other information =
I have=20
comes from an account (and photograph) of a visit to the tower by various=20
English ringers in 1991 (RW 1991 p.1210). This states that there are eight =
bells=20
hung in a wooden frame with ringing headstocks, bearings and clappers (but =
minus=20
the wheels) and two more bells hung for chiming. </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>Sounds to=20
me like an "unringable eight" according to the usual definitions (i.e. bell=
s=20
still hung on derelict ringing fittings) rather than a chime, plus - of cou=
rse -=20
two extras.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial size=
=3D2>Chris=20
P</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">----- Original Message=20
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m:</B>=20
<A title=3DDovemaster@c...=20
href=3D"mailto:Dovemaster@c...">JohnBaldwin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@yahoogroups=
.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:=
32=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians] Tri=
nity=20
Church New York</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV><TT>I have now searched my records and find tha=
t it=20
was Chris Pickford who<BR>supplied that tenor weight of 24-3-25 in D in a=
=20
(snail-mail) letter to me<BR>dated 29 June 1999, along with a number of o=
ther=20
suggested alterations which<BR>had previously been submitted to Ron Dove =
in=20
November 1993. There is a "not<BR>necessarily precise" (according t=
o=20
Chris) comment alongside this entry,<BR>saying : "Weight of=20
1797".<BR><BR>Perhaps Chris can shed further light on the background of h=
is=20
findings, or<BR>else someone (? Michael) could ask Andrew Wilby about the=
=20
letter received<BR>from Owen Burdwick, referred to in the said RW article=
on=20
p970 of 2001.<BR><BR>It looks from that article, now, that I should remov=
e the=20
entry from Dove!<BR><BR>John Baldwin<BR>(029) 2055 4457<BR><BR><BR>>=20
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: jimhedgcock=20
<jameshedgcock@h...><BR>>=20
[mailto:jameshedgcock@h...]<BR>> Sent: 28 December 2002=20
23:55<BR>> To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR>> Subject: [Bell=20
Historians] Trinity Church New York<BR>><BR>><BR>> 'Dove' lists =
an=20
eight 24-3-25 in D. I remember after 9/11 an article<BR>> in RW=
=20
saying there were ten bells in the tower tenor 32cwt. Can<BR>> anyone=
=20
explain the differences?<BR>><BR>><BR>> This message was sent to=
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