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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The tenor was recast by Meneeley & Co =
in 1848=20
& is 53" in diameter, no weight. The rest of the bells are as below. Th=
e=20
chime bells are an extra treble (1 of 9!) by Meneeley 1909, and a flat seco=
nd of=20
8 by C & G Mears 1849.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>GAD</FONT></DIV>
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m:</B>=20
<A title=3Dc.j.pickford@t... href=3D"mailto:c.j.pickford@t...=
">Chris=20
Pickford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@yahoogroups=
.com</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:=
55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Tri=
nity=20
Church New York</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The bells were listed in earlier edition=
s of=20
"Dove" as a 25 cwt 8, unringable. I submitted the tenor weight as t=
he=20
bell referred to in the Whitechapel records is almost certainly - without=
=20
actually seeing it of having details from a reputable source I can't say =
any=20
more definitely than that - the original bell of 1797 of 24-3-25.</FONT><=
/DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Whitechapel records actually provide=
the=20
following details:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Peals book,=
1797 –=20
1 32</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 8.0pt">=BC”</=
SPAN><SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt=
"> 7-0-3,=20
2 33=BD” 7-0-15, 3 35</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 8.0pt">=BC”</=
SPAN><SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt=
">=20
8-2-26, 4 38” 9-3-8, 5 41” 12-1-18, 6 43” 13-2-21, 7 47=
</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 8.0pt">=BC”</=
SPAN><SPAN=20
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt=
">=20
18-1-2, 8 53” 24-3-25 and note “recast 1, 2, 4 and 7, Sept 18=
45”</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Daybook 20 =
Sept.=20
1845 – Trinity Church, New York. Recast bells 7-1-4, 6-3-9, 9-1-6, =
18-0-10=20
=A3271.3.10, clappers =A34, stocks wheels etc =A332, cases & packing =
&=20
shipping charges =A35.18.6, total =A3313.2.4</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20
style=3D"LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p></o:p>=
</SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>The only other information I have comes from an acc=
ount (and=20
photograph) of a visit to the tower by various English ringers in 1991 (R=
W=20
1991 p.1210). This states that there are eight bells hung in a wooden fra=
me=20
with ringing headstocks, bearings and clappers (but minus the wheels) and=
two=20
more bells hung for chiming. </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2>Sounds=20
to me like an "unringable eight" according to the usual definitions (i.e.=
=20
bells still hung on derelict ringing fittings) rather than a chime, plus =
- of=20
course - two extras.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial siz=
e=3D2>Chris=20
P</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </P>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B>=20
<A title=3DDovemaster@c...=20
href=3D"mailto:Dovemaster@c...">JohnBaldwin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@yahoogrou=
ps.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 29, 2002 =
5:32=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians] T=
rinity=20
Church New York</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV><TT>I have now searched my records and find t=
hat it=20
was Chris Pickford who<BR>supplied that tenor weight of 24-3-25 in D in=
a=20
(snail-mail) letter to me<BR>dated 29 June 1999, along with a number of=
=20
other suggested alterations which<BR>had previously been submitted to R=
on=20
Dove in November 1993. There is a "not<BR>necessarily precise"=20
(according to Chris) comment alongside this entry,<BR>saying : "Weight =
of=20
1797".<BR><BR>Perhaps Chris can shed further light on the background of=
his=20
findings, or<BR>else someone (? Michael) could ask Andrew Wilby about t=
he=20
letter received<BR>from Owen Burdwick, referred to in the said RW artic=
le on=20
p970 of 2001.<BR><BR>It looks from that article, now, that I should rem=
ove=20
the entry from Dove!<BR><BR>John Baldwin<BR>(029) 2055 4457<BR><BR><BR>=
>=20
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: jimhedgcock=20
<jameshedgcock@h...><BR>>=20
[mailto:jameshedgcock@h...]<BR>> Sent: 28 December 2002=20
23:55<BR>> To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR>> Subject: [Bell=
=20
Historians] Trinity Church New York<BR>><BR>><BR>> 'Dove' list=
s an=20
eight 24-3-25 in D. I remember after 9/11 an article<BR>> in R=
W=20
saying there were ten bells in the tower tenor 32cwt. Can<BR>> anyon=
e=20
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