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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, if this is right, it certainly casts=
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light on <STRONG>two</STRONG> remarkable ladies. Apart from them=
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being different, it makes little difference to their bells, and doesn't alt=
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the fact that the second one was the mother-in-law of Henry Jordan, the=20
15th-century London founder (who of course did not cast most of the bells t=
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19th century writers ascribed to him).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A href=3D"mailto:fabslo@g..."=20
title=3Dfabslo@g...>D.Sloman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:4=
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians]=20
Castlethorpe</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>The recent references to Johanna Hille are in a book=20
entitled "Medieval<BR>London Widows 1300-1500". There is a chapter on Joh=
anna=20
Hille and another<BR>on Johanna Sturdy.<BR><BR>Existing bells by J. Hille=
are=20
quoted as being at Manaton,Devon(2),<BR>Castlethorpe, Norton, Herts, Ipsw=
ich,=20
St. Mary at Elms, East Preston,<BR>Sussex and a bell formerly at St. Nich=
olas,=20
Colchester(which is now at<BR>Basildon).<BR><BR>The will is described as =
being=20
drawn up 3 February 1441 and proved 30<BR>Mary(May?) 1441 and is to be fo=
und=20
in the Commissary register,GL,<BR>MS9171/4,ff.62v-63.<BR><BR>DS<BR><BR>At=
=20
23:53 26/03/03 -0000, you wrote:<BR>> & &a=
mp;=20
Johanna Sturdy are NOT the same person. A will has been=20
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gt;To:<BR>>bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20
<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>St:<BR>>Wednesday,<BR>=
>March<BR>>26,<BR>>200<BR>>10:45 =20
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<BR>><BR>>astlethorpe <BR>><BR>> &=20
<BR>><BR>><BR>>Belfries pp<BR>>43-5: =
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<BR>><BR>>Assuming<BR>>that<BR>>her<BR>>bells<BR>>bear<=
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same<BR>>relationship in<BR>>bells=20
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as<BR>>her<BR>>late<BR>>husband's,<BR>>she<BR>>probably<BR=
>>married<BR>>John<BR>>Sturdy<BR>>about=20
<BR>><BR>><BR>>1443. <BR>>  =
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