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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Having consulted another member of the touring party of=
1968=20
who confirms the story we think it was a quarter peal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>That would fit with APC's habits and inclinations at th=
e=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Are the QP records available?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would hate to think that ,not only were we gullible i=
n=20
believing George Thoday, but APC was pulling everyones leg as well.</FONT><=
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>andrew</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Da.bull@s... href=3D"mailto:a.bull@s...">An=
drew=20
Bull</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:'bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com'">'bellhistorians@yahoogro=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 12, 2003 12=
:25=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians] Ebb=
w=20
Vale</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT face=3DArial color=
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>Sorry=20
to spoil a good story, but the Llandaff & Monmouth peal database (whi=
ch=20
contains details of ALL peals rung at Association towers) shows that Pat=
=20
Cannon rang three peals at Ebbw Vale - in 1968, 1970, 1971. He only rang =
the=20
tenor once, to Superlative on 24 October 1970, in 3 hours 22 minutes. He =
never=20
called a peal there.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>While=20
serving in South Wales during and after WW2, he rang peals at Bridgend,=20
Caerphilly, Cardiff, Pentre, Llanfrechfa and Llenelly (Gilwern), calling =
all=20
but the Cardiff peal. He did call a fast peal of Bob Major on the heavy a=
nd=20
difficult eight at Pentre.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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Bull<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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>(Peal=20
Recorder, Llandaff & Monmouth D.A.)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></=
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Origina=
l=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> And=
rew=20
Wilby [mailto:andrew@w...]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 11 December 2003 22:40<BR><B=
><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Bell Historians] Ebbw=20
Vale</SPAN></FONT></P>
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</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3D"Courie=
r New"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Jim=20
Hedgecock: <I remember there being a device to count the number of tim=
es=20
that the </SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=
=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; mso-f=
areast-font-family: 'Courier New'"><BR><TT>tenor=20
had struck - but it was 1971 when I rang there.></TT></SPAN></FONT><FO=
NT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">There=20
is a story about the counter.....</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><=
SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">Pat=20
Cannon was serving in S Wales during WW2 when the bann was lifted.&n=
bsp;=20
</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">He took=20
a band to Ebbw Vale and rang a peal of Plain Bob Major I think, but in a =
very=20
quick time... possible less than 3 hours.</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">Anyway=20
the local tower captain took the view that Cannon had left a course or tw=
o out=20
of this peal and had the counter made and fixed to the tenor so that he c=
ould=20
check in future. He was probably right.</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">There=20
is another story about another band that included Cannon ringing a peal t=
here=20
in the 60's. </SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">A=20
certain Mr Thoday calculated that the peal would include his 1 millionth =
row=20
in peal ringing and also that it would be a 65=20
roll-up.</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">I think=20
we might have been a touch gullible but, never the less, George was a big=
man=20
with the stats so we worked out what the counter would read at the millio=
nth=20
row and set off. </SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><TT><FONT face=3DArial c=
olor=3Dblack=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">As=20
we struck the landmark, a certain Mr Bonham on the 6th, mouth w=
ide=20
open, staring at the counter all agog, missed his dodge an consequen=
tly=20
wrecked the row.</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
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size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial=
">Thoday=20
was incandescent. He ranted on about how many peals he had carried=20
someone through and how now he had wrecked the highlight of his career...=
or=20
some such rubbish.</SPAN></FONT></TT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
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very funny and did we laugh? You were allowed to enjoy yourself in =
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