<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 27/01/04 20:56:10 GMT Standard Time, aaspland@y... writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">[Andrew Aspland] So is it +12" instead? I was told that a 2'6" would hang level with the gudgeons (neither tucked up nor hung out) but since I don't know the height of such a bell I need more info. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">OK a better try would be</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff"style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">Hang = 2/5dia + 13</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">based on a bit of regression analysis of Ossett bells but is that typical?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">I would have thought on a list so knowledgable I would not have had to resort to guessing games. My questions were asked because I would like to have a means of working out what bells will fit in an existing frame and I thought somone on the list could have given me a constructive answer!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">Andrew</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"> <BR>
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The average of most modern rings seems to be 50% of the diameter + 8 inches. Some firms like to tuck up the back end slightly more and hang the trebles out slightly more. Older style rings are generally hung out to a greater degree (the old 20cwt 6 at Chilcompton were about + 11 inches) and personally I liked the way they rolled along - you could easily ring a peal in justunder 3hrs. The old Chilcompton tenor was easier to turn in to minor than the new tenor, which seems to turn slower (its a doddle to major and royal).<BR>
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Clapper throws are another matter. Some firms like to keep them all the same. Others put the shortest possible staple in the treble then add a certainamount (up to ½ inch in my experience) on to the 2nd clapper throw and then 3rd clapper throw etc etc - normally giving a very long crown staple (and therefore short clapper) in the tenor.<BR>
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Individual bellhanging firms seem to have their own rules (some of which they like to keep secret).<BR>
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As for height/diameter ratio with Taylor bells - they vary enormously in myexperience (as do other foundries - G&J in particular). See George Elphick's "Craft of the bellfounder" for more details. I find it is better to work from diameters and hangs when planning frame designs etc.<BR>
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Cheers<BR>
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Matthew<BR>
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Matthew Higby & Co Ltd,<BR>
Church Bell Engineers.<BR>
Jasmine Cottage,<BR>
The Street,<BR>
Chilcompton,<BR>
Bath,<BR>
BA3 4HN.</FONT></HTML>