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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Re Giles' contribution of 8.20 p.m. yester=
day=20
below, he may fid it worthwhile to compare it with my similar one posted at=
9.31=20
a.m. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Re the "joint" parish churches, St Peter &=
amp; OLSN=20
(Pierhead) - others have pointed out cases where there are two parish churc=
hes=20
in one benefice (therefore two parishes); or a chapel-of-ease and a parish=
=20
church (in one parish), and frequently parishes are joined such that both "=
The=20
Church of St X and the Church of St Y shall be Parish Churches of the Paris=
h."=20
In each case there would only be one Rector or Vicar, however many other cl=
ergy=20
there were. What I was claiming as unique about Liverpool (until Rev=20
Brooks' death in 1855) was that there were two beneficed rectors of one par=
ish=20
(which had two churches), and it is their names which appear on the St Hele=
n's=20
bells, ex-St Peters, and their predecessors were on the Dobson bells at=20
Pierhead.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anything from anybody about the "bell of t=
he peal"=20
which was supposed to have gone to a temporary position in the new=20
Cathedral (and which never became a part of the present ring)=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DLC</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro=
m:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:combineharvestersam@h..."=20
title=3Dcombineharvestersam@h...>Samuel M. Austin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:20=
=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Bell Historians] FWRe:=20
Liverpool pro-Cathedral</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>This is from=20
Giles<BR><BR>Aye<BR><BR>Sam<BR><BR><BR>><BR>> Fro=
m:=20
"jimhedgcock" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:jameshedgcock@h...">jameshedgcock@h...</A>&g=
t;<BR>>Subject:=20
Re: Liverpool pro-Cathedral<BR>><BR>>--- In <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@yahoogroups=
.com</A>,=20
David Bryant <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:david@b...">david@b...</A>><BR>>wrote:<BR>>=20
>><BR>> > <A=20
href=3D"http://www.crosswinds.net/~marlerjc/stpc.html">http://www.crosswi=
nds.net/~marlerjc/stpc.html</A><BR>>=20
><BR>> > It has some not-very-good pictures, of the interior and=
=20
exterior.<BR>> ><BR>> > This link is inaccurate in that St.=20
Peter's Church was not erected<BR>>as the Cathedral Church. The=
=20
diocese was only created in 1880. St.<BR>>Peter's was Liverpool=
=20
Parish Church, the title passing to Our Lady<BR>>and St. Nicholas Pier=
Head=20
after the deconsecration of St.=20
Peter's<BR>>Church.<BR>><BR>><BR>>- I haven't had a chance to=
=20
follow this link, but Jim is (of course) right <BR>>that St Peter's wa=
s not=20
built as a Cathedral. From memory, however, the <BR>>title of Parish C=
hurch=20
did not 'pass' to OLSN when St Peter's was <BR>>deconsecrated. For muc=
h of=20
the 19th century, OLSN and St Peter's were co <BR>>parish churches, an=
d=20
this status only finished by act of Parliament when <BR>>there was eno=
ugh=20
of the Cathedral available to function, thus putting St <BR>>Peter's o=
ut of=20
a job.<BR>><BR>>Prior to the Parish of Liverpool having two Parish=
=20
Churches, it had 2 <BR>>(clerical) rectors at once - this finishing in=
=20
183-something (again, I <BR>>think by act of Parliament). The=20
ecclesiastical history of Liverpool would <BR>>really deserve study: g=
iven=20
the large RC population, the anglican parochial <BR>>system never real=
ly=20
seems to have got off the ground. But I fear I am <BR>>drifitng too fa=
r=20
from this list's brief - and I know I have drifted too far <BR>>from m=
y=20
certain knowledge! I look forward to Jim, Sam et al putting me=20
<BR>>right.<BR>><BR>>Cheers<BR>><BR>>Giles=20
Blundell<BR>>Liverpool<BR>><BR>><BR>>________________________=
________________________________________________<BR>>___________________=
_____________________________________________________<BR>><BR>>Messag=
e:=20
19<BR>> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:31:47=20
-0000<BR>> From: "combineharvestersam"=20
<combineharvestersam@h...><BR>>Subject: Re: Liverpool=20
Cathedral Bells<BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------<BR>>Sent wit=
h=20
Instant Email from T-Mobile<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Giles Blundell"=20
<grblundell@a...><BR>>To:=20
combineharvestersam@h...<BR>>Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:38:23 +00=
00=20
GMT<BR>><BR>>Hi Sam<BR>><BR>>Is there any chance of you forwa=
rding=20
the following to bell historians? For <BR>>some reason, yahoo objects =
to=20
the source address my palmtop uses instead of <BR>>believing that I am=
=20
really sending from=20
aol.<BR>><BR>>Thanks<BR>><BR>>Giles<BR>><BR><BR>__________=
_______________________________________________________<BR>Stay=20
in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger <BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger">http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger</A=
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