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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There were two typos in my previous postin=
g. First=20
the "three weights of St Nicholas Leicester" which members probably know of=
f=20
heart by now are (tower record) 20-3-14; (tuning book) 22-0-0; (invoiced ou=
t)=20
22-0-14. Second. when referring to how interesting it would be "to co=
mpare=20
the exactly contemporary tower record with the of the bells of almost ident=
ical=20
size with the tuning weights at Croydon", I meant "It would be interesting =
to=20
compare the tower record at St Peter's, Tunbridge Wells, which has exa=
ctly=20
contemporary bells of almost identical size to the St Luke's chime, with th=
e=20
tuning records at Croydon."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Indeed - all credit to Andrew Higson, and =
indeed to=20
the Company, for their generosity in the way Andrew Bull indicated. Ab=
out=20
ten years ago he kindly circulated a list of complete JT 1896-onwards rings=
, and=20
it was there that I first saw the 13-3-22 weight for (ex-Latimer's) Perry=20
Barr tenor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DLC</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro=
m:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:a_m_bull@y..." title=3Da_m_bull@y...>Andr=
ew=20
Bull</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:=
38=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians] Re:=
=20
Woodchurch etc</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>The=20
discrepancies with some of the Taylor weights are for different reasons, =
and=20
it is to Andrew Higson's great credit that he not only generously allows=
=20
access to Taylor's business archives for serious research, but also brave=
ly=20
permits the correct details to be published. Worcester Cathedral tenor is=
a=20
case in point. Many members of this list might have noticed that, while s=
ome=20
details may be missing from recent bell surveys, concise and correct deta=
ils=20
are now invariably given for Taylor jobs, and this reflects much credit o=
n=20
John Taylor & Co as a company.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>The=20
differences in weights given for Gillett jobs between the tuning books an=
d the=20
tower notice is a well-known phenomenon, and I believe that someone has=20
compiled a list. I have never seen an explanation for this,=20
however.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>Chris=20
Pickford's point about "exact" weights may be demonstrated in instances w=
here=20
it is possible to compare "as supplied" weights with "scrapping" weights.=
To=20
give two examples, both weighed by=20
Taylors:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">Worsley,=20
Lancs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">Retuned=20
1912<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Scrapped=20
1935<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">1.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>6-1-27<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>6-1-18<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">2.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>6-3-25<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>6-3-16<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">3.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>6-1- 4<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>6-0-18<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">4.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>6-2-21<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>6-2-10<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">5.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>9-0- 7<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>8-3-16<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">6.=20
11-1- 8<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>11-0-21<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">7.=20
13-3- 4<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>13-2-17<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">8.=20
21-0-14<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>20-3-11<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">Walton-on-the-Hill,=20
Lancs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">Retuned=20
1900<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Scrapped=20
1953<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">1.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>4-0-25<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>4-0-21<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">2.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>4-0-22<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>4-0-23<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">3.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>4-1- 1<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>4-1-=20
1<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">4.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>4-1-21<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>4-1-21<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">5.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>6-0-21<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>6-0-16<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt">6.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>8-1- 2<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>8-1-16<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle19><FONT color=3Dnavy=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size:=
12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P>
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=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>Which=20
would be regarded as "correct" as the weights of the old ring? In my coun=
ty=20
"lists" that can be found elsewhere on Bell Historians, I try to give det=
ails=20
of the ring which preceded a "modern" ring. Where available, I give the=20
scrapping weights, but instances such as the above present something of a=
=20
dilemma.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"=
>Andrew=20
Bull<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Origina=
l=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Dav=
id=20
Cawley [mailto:dcawley@w...]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 27 February 2005 17:18<BR><B=
><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Bell Historians] Re:=
=20
Woodchurch etc</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> =
<![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">I think=20
Chris's 'three points' deserve attention - though it doesn't solve the=20
Woodchurch problem; and Chris Povey's point about undrilled bells going=20
through the hands of non-founding bellhangers after supply is a valid=20
one.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">It is=20
when you come to "weights supplied with bells" and here are three=20
examples.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">WHITSTABLE St=
=20
Alphege Seasalter. On 1st August 1969 we took delivery from Whitechapel o=
f a=20
ring of six bells complete with a tower record showing the tenor as 3-1-1=
3,=20
the weight that has always been published. On August 19th the invoice was=
=20
rendered (<U>CB/33/69</U>) which included </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><EM><I><FONT color=3Dbla=
ck=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">"-From=20
metal provided from Tottington Church bells, casting a peal of six w=
ith=20
the Tenor 2' 0" in diameter, weighing C 3.3.1 and a total weight of&=
nbsp;=20
C 12.0.11. All accurately and harmonically tuned in the key of 'G'. "=20
</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><FONT color=3Dblack=
><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">The=20
total weight of the bells is that with the 3-1-13 tenor - was this a typi=
st's=20
error or what? I have not examined the settings or tuning recor=
ds.=20
All the other weights in the invoice - 15-1-17 of bells from Tottington,=
=20
12-2-17 for the existing church bell and 7-0-17 for the tubes - are all a=
s=20
weighed in. I did not query it then as the total weight charged for was a=
s set=20
with the 3-1-13 tenor. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">Two=20
archaic weights - 3-2-25 (1969: 3-2-5) for Tottington treble (JT 1851) an=
d=20
12-2-23 for the existing bell are xplained by more accurate modern=20
scales.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">Next=20
one is G&J. We have already discussed St Nicholas Leicester (Tower re=
cord=20
22.0.14; tuning books 22.0.0.; invoiced weight 22.0.14). But go to Tunbri=
dge=20
Wells, St Luke on <A=20
href=3D"http://kent.lovesguide.com">http://kent.lovesguide.com</A> and se=
e the=20
significant discrepancies in each bell between what is in the tuning book=
s in=20
Croydon library and what is in the framed record in the tower. It would b=
e=20
interesting to compare the exactly contemporary tower record of the bells=
of=20
almost identical size with the tuning records at Croydon.</SPAN></FONT><F=
ONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">As=20
to JT&Co, Chris Povey pointed out the 'pencilling in' of th=
e=20
Evesham record. Other examples have been identified. An interesting =
one=20
is the ex-Bishop Latimer ring now at Perry Barr. The bells were cast in 1=
957=20
(5th in 1904) and were received back in 1972. The weights recorded for th=
e=20
front six show "Woodchurch" type discrepancies:</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">Sent=20
Off Nett</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1957</SPAN></=
FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT colo=
r=3Dblack=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> &=
nbsp; =20
1972</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">4-0-6 &n=
bsp; 4-0-7</SPAN></FONT><FON=
T=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">4-0-26 &=
nbsp; =20
4-0-25</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">4-2-7 &n=
bsp; =20
4-2-7</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">5-0-3 &n=
bsp; =20
5-0-1</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">6-0-14 &=
nbsp; =20
6-0-11</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">7-1-16 &=
nbsp; =20
7-1-13</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">- =
&nb=
sp;10-0-12</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">- =
=20
=20
13-3-22#</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
"> =20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
"># Note=20
says 'given later as 14-0-8'</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">CJP and=20
I met at the Johnson on Saturday evening and I suggested that we might te=
st=20
the accuracy of WBF/JT scales by sitting on each and seeing which side we=
nt=20
down furthest in each case!</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=
=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">DLC</SPAN></F=
ONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT color=3Dblack=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; BORD=
ER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDIN=
G-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm">
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Origina=
l=20
Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SP=
AN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt=
: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: me=
dium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT:=
39.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDI=
NG-TOP: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-bor=
der-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><B><FO=
NT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=3Dbla=
ck=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:c.j.pickford.t21@b..."=20
title=3Dc.j.pickford.t21@b...>CHRIS PICKFORD</A>=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt=
: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><B><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"=20
title=3Dbellhistorians@yahoogroups.com>bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</A>=
=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt=
: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
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lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><B><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Sunday, Febr=
uary=20
27, 2005 7:25 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><=
SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt=
: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><B><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Bell=20
Historians] Re: Woodchurch etc</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DAr=
ial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-color-alt=
: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <=
![endif]></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Must be brief=
- I'm=20
supposed to be working to meet a deadline! - but I'd like to just add a c=
ouple=20
of points (apart from pointing out that Giles has mistaken me for Chris=20
Dalton)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I did take th=
e point=20
made by Giles, even though it may not have been clear in my answer, and I=
=20
agree with him that this is nothing about history proper (i.e. interpreta=
tion,=20
use of evidence to make sense of things). It's simply about documenting o=
r=20
recording what exists and here (to repeat what I said) the only significa=
nce=20
of a weight is as one element in a range of physical data about a bell.&n=
bsp;=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Others (Mark =
Regan,=20
for one) have already made the point on this list that Bell History is a=
=20
misnomer for what we do when we record and document the contents of our=20
belfries. But the fact that it isn't "history" doesn't make the activity =
any=20
less valid. We need an accurate record of what exists, and the Woodchurch=
=20
debate sits very comfortably in this context as we're trying to establish=
what=20
is the "correct" weight (not necessarily an accurate one - even though th=
is is=20
the ideal)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Andrew Bull h=
as=20
helpfully stated that the key thing about recorded weights is that they=20
represent an actual weighing on scales - never mind the issue of accuracy=
for=20
a moment - at a particular point in time. For me, there are a couple of m=
ain=20
points:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; BORD=
ER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDIN=
G-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm">
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; TEXT-IND=
ENT: -18pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-bord=
er-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; mso-lis=
t: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 72.0pt"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DSymbol size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext">=B7<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">  =
;=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">If a=20
weight is quoted, I want to know the source</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Db=
lack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; TEXT-IND=
ENT: -18pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-bord=
er-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; mso-lis=
t: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 72.0pt"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DSymbol size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext">=B7<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">  =
;=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">If=20
several weights are quoted at different periods, then I want to know whic=
h is=20
which (i.e. what weight was "current" at what date)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Db=
lack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; TEXT-IND=
ENT: -18pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-bord=
er-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; mso-lis=
t: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 72.0pt"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DSymbol size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; mso-color-alt: windowtext">=B7<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">  =
;=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">If a=20
discrepancy is found, then I want to try and establish the correct inform=
ation=20
by checking at source (and in the majority of cases this produced definit=
ive=20
answers, at least with regard to "recorded" weights)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; BORD=
ER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; PADDIN=
G-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm">
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Woodchurch=
, it's=20
clear that there are two possible recorded weights - both reliable in the=
ir=20
way (and if the bell was weighed again, the result would probably be=
=20
neither 4-0-3 or 3-3-27, of course). As I've said, I hope that Whitechape=
l can=20
clarify. It may turn out to be a simple error in that the wrong weight wa=
s=20
entered in the book - but there may be another explanation.=20
Nigel?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-RIG=
HT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; PADDING-BOT=
TOM: 0cm; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-marg=
in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Chris=20
Pickford</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></P>
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in-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid b=
lack 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"><FONT=20
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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