------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5685F.BCFB8830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know, I spent an hour or so last night looking up the particulars of Al= l Saints, Newcastle (old and new) and Sculcoates, Hull, and typing them up.= These were published on the site between midnight and 0100 hours this morn= ing. AA replied with additional information later on.=20 None of the above has even been acknowledged, not even by the Moderator who= asked the questions. Instead, we have all this stuff about bar headstocks = - I could write a page, but it would add less than the proverbial iota to b= ell history. Suffice it so say that in the main they are chiming headstocks= , in use since probably c1900 attached to ringing gear. No wonder there is = no realistic to repsonse to the mistaken call for a learned journal (or 'pr= ivileged pages' in the RW) when we descend in a swoop to the summary histor= y of 27 towers and the detailed information about three of them to wrougtht= -iron headstocks! I do realise that the title has changed from the 26 bells of St Wilfrids's = to Bar Headstocks. I am, intrigued, however that it could do so so rapidly,= especially when 'tasters' were put out to indicate more information availa= ble about Sculcoates to someone with "a long term project", and further inf= ormation about Myton and Newcastle, and no one took them up.=20=20=20=20=20 I have just returned from a fairly liquid funeral wake which may account fo= r the way in which I express myself. It is not meant to cause offence and = if I am wrong, I am sorry.=20 DLC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andrew Higson=20 To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: [Bell Historians] Bar Headstocks Fettes College are on bar headstocks - 1955. I expect, with a degree of r= esearch one could find a more or less continuous use of bar headstocks whet= her wrought iron or steel. I don't think it is a cost related issue though.= What else would you use for hanging little bells? It would be possible to = make smaller box section cast headstocks or use a solid cast headstock, for= which we also have patterns, but then these have to be machined and fitted= with gudgeons. Since there is no issue with the strength of the material, = common sense suggests which is the best option. Do we have a contender for the heaviest bell hung for full circle ringing= on a bar headstock? I'll start with the treble of 10 at Huddersfield. Andrew ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Kirby=20 To: bellhistorians@...=20 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] The 26 bells of St Wilfrid's Harrogate >> David Bryant [They had stopped doing it generally by this point. They started again= to some extent in the 70s with very light eights such as Lightcliffe and P= ately Bridge (bar stocks on all bells at both), but at Harrogate it certain= ly appears to have been done for cheapness.] I think Lightcliffe were done on the cheap as well! Peter Kirby Ringer @ Lightcliffe 1971-present date ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Yahoo! Groups Links =B7 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bellhistorians/ =20=20=20=20=20=20 =B7 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: bellhistorians-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20=20=20 =B7 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of= Service.=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bellhistorians/ =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: bellhistorians-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Servi= ce.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5685F.BCFB8830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You know, I spent an hour or so last night= looking=20 up the particulars of All Saints, Newcastle (old and new) and Sculcoates, H= ull,=20 and typing them up. These were published on the site between midnight = and=20 0100 hours this morning. AA replied with additional information l= ater=20 on.
 
None of the above has even been acknowledg= ed, not=20 even by the Moderator who asked the questions. Instead, we have all this st= uff=20 about bar headstocks - I could write a page, but it would add less than=20 the proverbial iota to bell history. Suffice it so say that in the mai= n=20 they are chiming headstocks, in use since probably c1900 attached to=20 ringing gear. No wonder there is no realistic to repsonse to the= =20 mistaken call for a learned journal (or 'privileged pages' in the RW) = when=20 we descend in a swoop to the summary history of 27 towers and the detailed= =20 information about three of them to wrougtht-iron headstocks!
 
I do realise that the title has changed fr= om the 26=20 bells of St Wilfrids's to Bar Headstocks. I am, intrigued, however tha= t it=20 could do so so rapidly, especially when 'tasters' were put=20 out to indicate more information available about Sculcoates = to=20 someone with "a long term project", and further information about Myto= n and=20 Newcastle, and no one took them up.     
 
I have just returned from a fairly liquid = funeral=20 wake which may account for the way in which I express myself.  It is n= ot=20 meant to cause offence and if I am wrong, I am sorry.
 
DLC
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Andrew Higson
To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:54 A= M
Subject: [Bell Historians] Bar=20 Headstocks

Fettes College are on bar headstocks - 1= 955. I=20 expect, with a degree of research one could find a more or less continuou= s use=20 of bar headstocks whether wrought iron or steel. I don't think it is a co= st=20 related issue though. What else would you use for hanging little bells? I= t=20 would be possible to make smaller box section cast headstocks or use a so= lid=20 cast headstock, for which we also have patterns, but then these have to b= e=20 machined and fitted with gudgeons. Since there is no issue with the stren= gth=20 of the material, common sense suggests which is the best option.
 
Do we have a contender for the heaviest = bell hung=20 for full circle ringing on a bar headstock? I'll start with the treble&nb= sp;of=20 10 at Huddersfield.
 
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 Peter Kirby
To: bellhistorians@yahoogrou= ps..com=20
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:23= =20 AM
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] T= he 26=20 bells of St Wilfrid's Harrogate

>> Dav= id=20 Bryant

 [They had stopped doing = it=20 generally by this point. They started again to some extent in the 70s w= ith=20 very light eights such as Lightcliffe and Pately Bridge (= bar=20 stocks on all bells at both), but at Harrogate it certainly appears to = have=20 been done for cheapness.]

 

I think Lightcliffe were done on= the=20 cheap as well!

 

Peter=20 Kirby

Ringer @=20 Lightcliffe 1971-present date

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