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>[Andrew Higson]
>...Well in my opinion anyway. Musicians would in general try to put the ke=
y in=20
>the fewest accidentals and where we have a fixed pitch instrument that=20
>doesn't change key, stick with what is simplest.
Speaking as (currently) a ringer at a nice modern Taylor eight which have a=
lways been quoted as being in G# and not Ab, may I venture to suggest that =
conventional musical logic is often not applied to church bells. Indeed, t=
he modern 8 at Clifton St Mary were tuned by ADH to Bb+0 but have always be=
en quoted as A#.
Different rules of thumb have been applied by different people at different=
times, and the one I used when working at HMA was essentially the one whic=
h Dickon suggests, although if the bells weren't tuned I'd stick with whate=
ver Dove already said if it was within 10 cents of the border - i.e. F+45 b=
ut listed in Dove as F#, I'd carry on listing as F#. Similarly if it was l=
isted as G# but nearer A than G, I'd stick with calling it G# instead of Ab=
. Bells drop by about a cent for every three centigrade warmer they become=
anyway. Nottingham All Saints are on the cusp of E and Eb, Dove gives Eb =
but the Southwell Guild report still gives E (the tenor was properly in E b=
efore tuning by ADH in 1999) - therefore the report is probably correct in =
winter and Dove correct in the summer.
Quoting as F# or Gb depending on pitch standard gives more information than=
always calling it F# - it may not be musically correct but musicians will =
still know what is meant.
Regards,
Ben Kipling
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>[Andrew Higson]
>...Well in my opinion anywa=
y.=20
Musicians would in general try to put the key in
>the fewest acciden=
tals=20
and where we have a fixed pitch instrument that
>doesn't change key,=
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stick with what is simplest.
Speaking as (currently) a ringer at a =
nice=20
modern Taylor eight which have always been quoted as being in G# and not Ab=
, may=20
I venture to suggest that conventional musical logic is often not applied t=
o=20
church bells. Indeed, the modern 8 at Clifton St Mary were tuned by A=
DH to=20
Bb+0 but have always been quoted as A#.
Different rules of thumb have been app=
lied by=20
different people at different times, and the one I used when working at HMA=
was=20
essentially the one which Dickon suggests, although if the bells weren't tu=
ned=20
I'd stick with whatever Dove already said if it was within 10 cents of the=
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border - i.e. F+45 but listed in Dove as F#, I'd carry on listing as F#.&nb=
sp;=20
Similarly if it was listed as G# but nearer A than G, I'd stick with callin=
g it=20
G# instead of Ab. Bells drop by about a cent for every three centigra=
de=20
warmer they become anyway. Nottingham All Saints are on the cusp of E=
and=20
Eb, Dove gives Eb but the Southwell Guild report still gives E (the tenor w=
as=20
properly in E before tuning by ADH in 1999) - therefore the report is=
=20
probably correct in winter and Dove correct in the=20
summer.
Quoting as F# or Gb depending on pitch=
standard=20
gives more information than always calling it F# - it may not be musically=
=20
correct but musicians will still know what is meant.
Regards,
Ben Kipling
Aspley, Nottingham
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