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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CSZ wrote: <FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>"</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>we have to take the bell's
own date at face value"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Agree entirely, and this is the date to quote
whenever it can be ascertained - so if the organist / Carilloneur at Stavenger
could be persuaded to check and see what's on the bells, it would be
great.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>O</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>ften, though, we
only know of dates from documentary sources or press reports - and then we can
only take the available date (e.g. dedication) or guess. Exact casting / tuning
dates aren't generally that important to me, but I do like to be sure of the
year - i.e. as cast on the bell (preferably) or as close as may be determined. A
date from the inscription wins (i.e. even if it says 1875 and we happen to
know that casting actually took place on 6 Feb 1876)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CP</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Warner
foundry closure</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>At 22:12 +0100 06/04/24, Chris Pickford wrote:<BR>>I
slightly suspect they were cast 1921, installed 1922 - but only
<BR>>because 1921 is the date I'd previously been given and it fits with
<BR>>other late Warner work.<BR><BR>That may well be true, and I could
easily believe it. As has been <BR>documented in this mail-list more
than once, bellfoundries <BR>occasionally date their bells according to when
the installation <BR>and/or dedication is expected to occur, rather than
according to the <BR>actual date of casting.<BR><BR>In building the database
which underlies the GCNA Website, it has <BR>long been my practice to record
documented differences between the <BR>year of casting and the year of
installation. That's uncommon, but <BR>not exactly rare; I have even
found the occasional bell which bears <BR>two different years because the
founder was particularly <BR>conscientious about recording the casting date
accurately.<BR><BR>Discrepancies between a bell's (only) inscription date and
its actual <BR>casting date are much more rare, and almost always are
difficult to <BR>document. Absent such documentation, we have to take
the bell's own <BR>date at face value.<BR><BR>CSZ<BR><BR></BODY></HTML>