<p>"Of French derivation, the term "carillonneur" has long been used in the English language,
and obviously forms the basis for the name of
The Guild of Carillonneurs of North America (GCNA).
It is found in most unabridged English dictionaries, is unambiguous,
and is understood by all English-speaking aficionados of the carillon.
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However, some carillon players prefer the term "carillonist"
as being more appropriate in the English language.
This is analogous to flute players preferring "flutist" over the French/Italian "flautist".
There is historical evidence for the term "carilloner" having been used by some
American <i>chime</i> players in the 19th century,
but that seems to modern ears to be as awkward as "fluter".
This may be because of the way that specialized words for instrumental musicians
are related to their respective root words."<br>
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<p>Can't really argue with that; However, your noting that "there are a
number of carillon aficionados (myself included) who regard the word
"carillonneur" as an accident of history, and the word "carillonist" as
more appropriate for the English language." certainly should remind us
all that every word used in the English language cxould be said
to be 'an accident of history'! and if enough use the word
'carrilonist' or even 'carilloner' then either one may well take
precedence over the (I would have thought very well) established 'carillonneur'<br>
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<p>It's sort ve like preferring to spell bell cannons with only one n
dispite the historical evidence that to me suggests that it really
ought to have two! or yet again of spelling 'gravy' which by all
accounts was introduced to the English language by a scribe who
probably misread the word 'grane' or 'graue' and
wrote 'gravy' Oddly enough, just adding 'ist' on the end of the
word 'carillon' doesn't make it any more English than ''carillonneur''
because both forms exist in the French, even though the Fr would
pronunce 'ist' to sound as if spelt 'eeest' :-)<br>
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<p>mew<br>
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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Carl S Zimmerman</b> <<a href="mailto:csz_stl@PMCcMPXLCpP9o7c5sJfCmDSnkQ6x2KKMqoN1yaQdC1og-U7l491XL_T0OYgHYuHnJg_chWxbAiyFMXwy.yahoo.invalid">csz_stl@1ehoKr7s-ImgfXdaHzlHlRIBjo9IK_NMSb7pI2qn4cGh2ZCwOUrR6DNXohVkHuqSkRUr8Zk.yahoo.invalid</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p>At 06:32 +0000 06/09/22, Richard Offen wrote (subject "[Bell <br>
Historians] Re: Call for papers on ... bell-casting?"):<br>
>--- In <br>
><mailto:<a href="mailto:bellhistor" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">bellhistor</a>ians%40yahoogrou<a href="http://ps.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
ps.com</a>><a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</a>, <br>
>Carl S Zimmerman <csz_stl@...><br>
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>> A fellow carillonist has drawn my attention to a forthcoming series<br>
>> of conferences, to be held annually in Oxford from 2007 to 2010.<br>
><br>
>Why have you all suddenly become 'carillonists'? What was wrong<br>
>with 'carillonneurs'?<br>
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>R<br>
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"All" is too much of a generalization. The GCNA remains The Guild of <br>
Carillonneurs in North America, and I remain a Carillonneur Member of <br>
the GCNA. However, there are a number of carillon aficionados <br>
(myself included) who regard the word "carillonneur" as an accident <br>
of history, and the word "carillonist" as more appropriate for the <br>
English language. For more details, see<br>
<a href="http://www.gcna.org/data/Glossary.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.gcna.org/data/Glossary.html</a><br>
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Carl<br>
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