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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In response to DLC's request, below are the
1911/12/13 details of St George's, Greenock bells taken from G&J's Tuning
Book Vol 0, p112.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>9.
New. 44 1/8" [no weight given] in E325.
1911.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>8. 2747 Recast. 39
1/8" 10-2-15 F# 365. 1913.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>7. 2746 Recast.
35". 8-1-19 G#. 1913.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>6.
Recast. 33 7/16". [no weight given] A 433.
1911.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>5. 2745 Recast.
30 5/8". Cast Wt 5-2-0, Tunings 0-2-0 B 488.
1913</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4. 2744 Recast
28". Cast Wt 4-1-21, Tunings 0-1-22 C#. 1913.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. 2743 Recast
27" Cast Wt 3-3-8, Tunings 0-0-23 D 578. (flat
second) 1913</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>2.
New 25 1/2". [no weight
given] D# 609 Tuned down from No. 1 of 1911.
1913.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. 2742
New 25 1/16" Cast Wt
3-1-8, Tunings 0-0-26 E 650. 1913.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please note that, by calculation, G&J's tuned
weight is not necessarily the correct weight of the bell. If anyone has their
correct weights, please let me know and where the info came from. -
Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AAJB.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for these details. Particulars of the
former bells wouild be of interest - thanks Alan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DLC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 08, 2006 9:55
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians]
Redundant bells in Greenock</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Herewith are the details of St George, Greenock
taken from G&J's Tuning Book No 15, p115-6.:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Recast 9 and augment to 10 in late April/early
May 1950. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>10. 6785. 45 1/2". 18-1-7 F
345hz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>9. 6784. 41", 12-3-25 G
387.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>8. 6783. 36 9/16",
9-1-4 A 435.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>7. 6782. 34 7/16".
7-2-4 Bb 459.5.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>6. 6781. 33 1/16".
7-0-3 B 488+.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>5. 6780. 31 1/2". 6-0-7
C 517+.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4. 6779. 28 1/2".
4-2-15 D 580+.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. 6778. 27 1/4".
4-0-21 Eb 614+1/2.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. 6777. 25 15/16".
3-2-3 E 625+1.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. 6776. 24 5/8".
3-0-21 F 690+1/2.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also have the details of the 1912/13 bells if
required.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alan B </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006
10:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians]
Redundant bells in Greenock</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>GREENOCK ST GEORGE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Formerly Renfrewshire</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Diatonic chime of 9 (as recorded 1947 by
Ranald Clouston in CB Renfrewshire & Dumbartonshire)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Treble RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON
CROYDON 1913. / FOUNDED 1889 / 1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2nd CAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON 1912. /
2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th RECAST BY GILLETT
& JOHNSTON CROYDON 1913. / FOUNDED 1889 / 3 (or 4 or 5 or
7)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>6th RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON
1912. CAST 1889. / 6</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>8th RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON
1913. / THIS PEAL OF BELLS WAS PRESENTED BY / M<FONT size=1>RS.
</FONT><FONT size=2>ROBERT SHANKLAND / TO THE FREE MIDDLE CHURCH GREENOCK.
/ IN MEMORY OF HER PARENTS / M<FONT size=1>R. </FONT></FONT><FONT
size=2>AND M<FONT size=1>RS. </FONT></FONT><FONT size=2>GIBSON, PAISLE, /
1889. / 8 </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bass RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON
1912. /MIDDLE UNITED FREE CHURCH / GREENOCK / THIS TENOR BELL WITH TWO
TREBLES / ADDED BY THE CONGREGATION IN / 1912.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seven bells (1,3,4,5,6,7,<WBR>8); chiming
machine played changes on the diatonic six. 5th recast as 6th and 2nd and
tenor added 1912. The comparison must have been striking, as the remaining
bells were recast the following year. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They were played from a clavier which with
the floors and the chiming machinery was destroyed by fire in
1948.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Given as 44"; Dove I gives 14 cwt in
E; both note that there had been a fire in 1948 and
the two tenors were cracked, although all were still hanging in their
steel framework. RWMC states "It is possible that the bells will all be
recast."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dove II gives 10 bells, 18-1-7 in F, so it
appears that the bells were increased in number and weight by G&J in
1950. Baton clavier. Perhaps Alan Buswell can give fuller details of
the bells.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I realise that this is mainly about the old
bells, but it is possibly not devoid of interest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DLC</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 06, 2006
3:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians]
Redundant bells in Greenock</DIV>
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<P>At 13:14 06/12/2006, Dickon wrote:<BR><BR>>Why is everyone
bitching about this? I think Robert was asking a little <BR>>more
than just "what is there", which can indeed be found online. He (and
<BR>>I presume others) want to know what is happening now, what the
process is <BR>>for such decommissioned churches and the impact on
the bells for this <BR>>church, etc.<BR>><BR>>DrL<BR><BR>Thanks
Dickon. I suspect that GAD just has it in for me - due to some
<BR>perceived slight! (no more photo favours for you,
George!!)<BR><BR>But, hey, I can live with that.<BR><BR>You are quite
right - I was after something rather more than the bare facts <BR>from
the (excellent) databases mentioned.<BR><BR>RAL <BR><BR></P></DIV><!--End group email --></BLOCKQUOTE>
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