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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">--- In <A
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Alan Birney<BR>wrote:<BR><EM>>This person is not in the trade, they act by
"cold calling", <BR>which is the problem.” </EM></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I know that churches in York Diocese have been
warned about “cold callers”. As this has been issued on a number of occasions
but how can you pastorally stop independent parishes.</P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><EM>>“There is no garauntee that they have
adequate <BR>insurance (if any) and they are not covered (as far as I can make
<BR>out) under YACR insurance as the jobs are done for financial gain. <BR>Some
of the work is not covered by YACR insurance anyway, even if it <BR>had been
done for free.”</EM></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Alan I agree with your comments. The Association
I believe only has Accident cover and Public Liability. It does not have any
form of Professional Indemnity Insurance. The wording in the Association report
however makes no reference to jobs done for “gain”.</P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><EM>>”Having said that, if any Advisor turns a
blind eye <BR>to stuff like this and allows it to carry on and some damage
occours <BR>or someone is hurt, on thier own head be it- where the advisor would
<BR>stand legally, I don't know.”</EM></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">If something is published then it is in the
public domain. It could well be that church authorities see a copy. The role of
the Advisor does not have the authority of something like a planning officer of
the local authority. They are appointed to serve a committee and should report
to that committee (at least that is the practice in York). Thus requests from
parishes here are always passed through the DAC Office and written reports here,
are always adopted by the committee, before being sent to the parish. Again with
applications for faculty these comments go to the committee who discuss them
before they are sent to the Chancellor who is the ultimate authority. I suggest
that if Alan has concern about any installation he writes to the Chancellor.
Advisor can only go into parishes after a request has been made usually by the
parish.</P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I think any liability lies with the parish and
their insurers in ensuring their installation is safe. EIG are now, in their
guidance under H&S measures, instructing parishes that regular checks of
items including bells should be carried out.<BR><BR><EM>.>”The sad thing is
that it is the Church who loses out- for a <BR>bit more money, they can have the
job done by persons who are <BR>insured and if anything should go wrong, at
least they have a leg to <BR>stand on. It is unbeleivable that some incumbents
think that by <BR>having a job done with a faculty (where required), the faculty
makes <BR>a job expensive- Perhaps a little more PR and education is required
<BR>on this.”</EM></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I agree whole heartedly about the cost of work
although low cost jobs always look atractive to poor parishes. I cannot comment
in detail about incumbents but I know many do not like the paperwork. It is
sometimes the case that this part of their load is taken by a member of the
parish and even then there seems to be a reluctance to complete even these
forms, which are very simple these days. It might also be useful to know that
providing a parish applies in advance of the work starting they normally do not
have to pay for Faculties in York. If the Faculty is retrospective then it is
common for the parish to be asked to pay. Thus the Faculty does not add to the
cost of the work if applied for at the appropriate time. In other Diocese the
situation may be different.</P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Arthur</FONT></P>
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