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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The operative word NOT has been omitted from
between "did" and "have" in the penultimate line of the penultimate paragraph,
before RCO corrects this! The architect didn't have to pay!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DLC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:02
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Worn out
garments show new patches</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are a number, the most recent I've been
involved with being Westbury-on-<WBR>Trym, Bristol (1993). A heavy six,
L&J cast iron frame of 1902 on mixed foundation. Whitechapel made an
excellent job of tuning and restoring the bells and to make doubly sure, the
walls were opened up around the ends of the wooden beams. There had
been some movement in the walls. Once opened up, to the ends of the
beams were bolted steel channel angles with cleats welded on, and the beam
ends then grouted in (with the correct materials!). All movement in the
foundation has been eliminated. It also enabled examination of the
timber beam ends. The walls were not opened up where the
original steels entered, and I imagine they weren't cleated or
pegged; but there had been no movement in them nor sign of
distress.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am sure I can think back to a number of
instances where a wooden foundation has been subsequently equipped
with cleated or pegged anchors firmly grouted into the walls (and in some
cases provided with a secondary foundation of steel), with successful
results.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can think of one case where the foundry
intended this to be done and it was not done - which was a major disaster
-Tenterden, Kent, where the architect forbad the affixing of the anchors when
the bells were rehung in 1961; and he did have to pay for the subsequent
rehanging ten years later.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By the sounds of it, if the ends of the beams in
the case before Andrew are sound, then the fitting and grouting in of anchors
to the wooden beams would be a possible way to proceed, provided that the two
levels are clamped or bolted together; and it would also give the opportunity
to examine the ends of the beams where they are in the walls.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
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Aspland</A> </DIV>
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title=bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Bell Historians] Worn out
garments show new patches</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=154264819-08032007>I
hoped this learned group might be able to help in a not totally historical
matter.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=154264819-08032007>I
am considering a proposal to build a new metal frame with one set of new
girders going into the wall. At right angles to the girders are four
substantail wooden beams on which it is proposed to mount the new frame and
clamp it to them.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=154264819-08032007>Are there many other examples out there of a
mixture of wood and metal foundation beams and how
successful/unsucces<WBR>sful is this situation. I can only call to
mind one such installation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=154264819-08032007>Andrew</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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