<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff" STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;background-color:#ffffff; "><DIV>Hi David,</DIV> <DIV>I have been trying to email you but since I haven't heard from you in a while, I am using this unique method to reach you.</DIV> <DIV>Jill had hip replacement surgery on March 13, was in hospital for 3 nights--thank God, it's an awful, unkind, brutal place--and has been slowly regaining strength. Hip is fine but her left foot--very arthritic--is causing major problems now.</DIV> <DIV>Anyway trust you are well and that the recent high holiday was pleasant and enjoyable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Much love,</DIV> <DIV>Ingrid </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> David Cawley</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:34 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Gloucester</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><!-- Network content --> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <P> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the original was</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>MISSI DE CELIS HABEO NOMEN NOMEN GABRIELIS</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then the translation would be </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I HAVE THE NAME OF GABRIEL SENT FROM HEAVEN</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Which is also correct 'ecclesiastical' Latin, even if not pure classical. My guess is that the composer of the rhyming hexameter put the 'is' [which is 2nd declension ablative plural in any gender] to ryme with the genitive Gabrielis, which is a 3rd declension name. The classic form [allowing for the fact that they had no Gabiels around at the time] would be</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DE CELO MISSUS NOMEN GABRIEL HABEO</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Much less fun!</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>LUDO*</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>*An Easter egg prize awaits the one who can swork that out. No list member won last year's!</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV id=ygrp-mlmsg> <DIV id=ygrp-msg> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <P><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>> Cathedral press officer, the Reverend Geoff Crago, said: "It is a very<BR>> long time since I did Latin at school.<BR><BR>> "I can manage Nomen Gabrielis - the name of Gabriel - but I'm not sure<BR>> about Celis. Even an online Latin dictionary on the web couldn't help<BR>> me with that word."<BR><BR></P></DIV><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --></DIV><!-- ygrp-msg --><!-- Sponsor --> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 1px; COLOR: #fff">.</DIV></DIV><IMG height=1 src="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=5029388/grpspId=1707285820/msgId=12034/stime=1176646519/nc1=4438965/nc2=4299902/nc3=3848542" width=1> <BR><SPAN style="COLOR: white"></SPAN><!--End group email --></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P></DIV><!--End group email --></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>