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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Reminds me of the good old days at St
Alphege Whitstable (formerly Seasalter) Kent. My father was CW and there
was just one bell of 12 1/2-cwt and eight tubes. I asked Paul Taylor & Bill
Hughes to quote for a ring of six totalling 12 1/2-cwt with a 2' 0" tenor.
PLT quoted £1350 and WAH £960 for such a ring in E and G respectively. That was
complete and installed in the tower.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We were then given the five front bells - two of
them in pieces - from Tottington, Norfolk, totalling 14-cwt. So we had these
specifically recast and added a treble for St Alphege; the big bell and the
tubes practically paid for the job.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As far as the bells themselves were concerned,
JT&Co had the edge on WBF because their bells were that much deeper-toned.
But the trebles were cast to sizes more appropriate to a chime. It
didn't stop the expression 'ice-cream rings' being used.</FONT> <FONT
face=Arial size=2>But the Whitechapel bellhanging was far superior to Taylors,
not least because the wheels were comfortably oversized for ease of
ringing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The destruction of the front four of the heavy
five at Avebury and its replacement by a small ring of six was the unacceptable
side of the 'ice-cream' saga. But I do not regret the Seasalter experience. In
its early days it was an excellent and successful teaching recource for quite
young ringers. But I wish I'd gone for a 4 1/2-cwt tenor instead of 3 1/2; or at
least waited a year while WBF sorted out their gauges and started to
produce F# and F rings. When PLT came on an outing he said, "What a waste
of metal" (his ring would have been in E). I was quick enough to remind him of
his experience at a certain JT 'ice-cream' dedication and replied "Well,
they go better than Rochford." </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DLC</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lightcliffe (8, 4cwt)
were, I believe, cast (1970) on that basis – formerly 8, 20cwt!
Presumably Pateley Bridge as well.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The quadrupling of
copper prices (and I assume tin is similar) means that we could be back
in the 1970s scenario when several heavy rings of bells were recast into much
lighter peals with the excess metal paying for the work. This also makes
the acquisition of second hand bells (even bad ones)
worthwhile.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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