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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I realise that apart from the word "derelict" I
said nothing about the state the bells are in.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ringing fittings were all present, headstocks very
badly infested with worm, 2nd headstock split. Stays, sliders etc very wormy.
Wheels probably early 19thC, beginning to come apart. Strap gudgeons, stock
hoops, very worn drive-in type bearings. Clappers probably as old as the
bells. The five probably had a fair bit of ringing back in the 18th / 19th
centuries. Two hammers remain of a 19th century chiming apparatus. No ropes
anywhere. They were a ground floor ring.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Frame ancient. Bells hung in order 5, 1, 4, 3
swinging north/south and the 2nd at right angles at the south end. An
anti-clockwise rope circle, ropes actually in approximately correct order. Three
types of truss. The east side of the 3rd (now treble) pit and
the south side of the pit which held the lost second are Pickford
type 5C sides, but with jack-braces; the inner sides of these two pits are
Pickford type 6H, again jack braced to the corner posts. Tenor pit both sides
and pit between former treble and 4th (now 2nd) Pickford type 5R. There
were 4 bells in 1552 and the older components of the frame are probably of
<EM>c</EM>1500. I reckon that the frame was rebuilt and a 5th pit added
when the bells were augmented to 5 in 1633 - the two lost bells were also by
James Butler. Wedged to walls on all four sides. The outer side of the
tenor pit is in a really bad way and has been stiffened by nailing boards
horizontally across its members for the whole length of the pit. There are a lot
of beams beneath, many of them propped up by posts, but the joints at the base
of the frame are badly decayed. So is the bell chamber floor.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope this is of interest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DLC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:18 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Confidentiality</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See my posting of 13.38 to-day</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DLC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:29
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<P>--- In <A
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"Bickerton, Roderic K \(SELEX\) <BR>\(UK\)" <roderic.bickerton@<WBR>...>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> <BR>> The way these things are done is puzzling. An
example is Layston <BR>Herts. where all is not finalised, yet Rumble and
Edwards, estate <BR>agents of St Albans have the church on there books. 2 of
the 3 bells <BR>in this tower are of historic importance.<BR>> (I still
need to do more on this.)<BR><BR>I had a look at this church a while ago. A
completely derelict <BR>building all fenced off. Did you ever manage to get in
to have a look <BR>at what state the bells are in? I think David kelly was
also trying to <BR>gain access.<BR><BR>David<BR><BR></P></DIV><!--End group email --></BLOCKQUOTE>
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