<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3c.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><!-- Network content -->
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1543" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You have just put your finger on the crux of the
matter - David did not ask for my permission first. If he had done so, I
would have said no, not now, as before publication date, you should regard it as
confidential. After publication, I would have been happy to share information
with others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you can't distinguish between the useful, mutual
exchange of helpful material (such as sending people corrections on erroneous
bell data & providing missing historical information, etc., - which I
thought was the purpose of the Bell Historians Site) and the necessity of
guarding sensitive data for members commercial activities, <U><STRONG>and
acknowledge that I have been 'wronged', albeit unintentionally</STRONG></U>,
then you are not fit to 'moderate' this site.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If you take the trouble to read your emails
properly, before getting steamed up about them first, then you would acknowledge
that; (a) I acknowledged that David Cawley is a first-class Bell Historian, whom
I liked at first meeting: (b) he has apologized unreservedly to me for his
actions, which I have accepted; (d) </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>had some of
your members not ignored David's wishes <U>not to 'chew over' this private
matter</U> and 'slag me off' on your site (presumably allowed by you
to do so, in your capacity as moderator), then I would not have found it
necessary to respond publically, as previously, I had had no intention of using
your site for anything other than participating in the type of exchanges I have
seen on there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having seen you in operation against another member
in very recent days, I anticipate that you might retaliate by striking me
off the membership of the site. Let us see if you are man enough to keep me on
it. If not, I shall not lose any sleep over my expulsion. Perhaps if you feel so
strongly about it, as you are involved yourself, through your failure to
'moderate' properly, why don't you poll your membership, having first ensured
that they are fully informed (from both points of view) ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had hoped that this matter would have been
settled quietly & privately, but David, in only mentioning my
"disapprobation" & failing to provide the full facts, followed by your
complicity (as moderator) in permitting a couple of members 'to shoot their
mouths off , compelled to air my side of things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In expectation of receiving some just &
adult treatment from the Moderator.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dr. Mike Baron</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=David.Bryant@SbdrSofYyHHF7ONLbbEhFhGxrXsx6YSbvRE2J7mB8GYTIxwW7wBp8dZjaDIknQ7aYd9uDAmTnMQi_84V2z0ZXc-MbS6qTA.yahoo.invalid href="mailto:David.Bryant@7iIBtYW9LTsfqkG6bAXLbgCSLCtsq3Rznac65OGmpcmv2suce3dSLySfs1tCUJO8jv-AKVv49Jm6huz-1Aw.yahoo.invalid">David
Bryant</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 27, 2007 4:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians] Response
from Dr. Mike Baron to recent 'List' emails re Eastry 'Sanctus' Bell.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<P>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>"<FONT color=#000000>We will now all see just how fair
your Moderator is and I challenge him to publish my email, in full, on the
Bell Historians' Web-Site."</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2>Well<SPAN class=997472915-27072007>, there you are Dr Baron - it's
appeared on the list.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007>Clearly you misunderstand the nature of
the bell historian community. People are pretty much always willing to freely
share their research, and I can confidently say that if I asked any of the
leading historians on here for permission to publish a photo or drawing of
theirs (with attribution, of course) they would give their permission. There
is no money in publishing bell related research, and if you break even you've
done well! People do it because it's their hobby, not because they want to
make money out of it.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007>I find your attitude towards Dave Cawley
to be absolutely appalling. He is one of the most knowledgeable bell
historians in the country, and is always ready to freely share his expertise
and knowledge with others, and to encourage those new to the field. He was
clearly only doing as he usually does and trying to help you in your
researches, and you repay him with this ignorant tirade. I've never banned
anyone from this list, but unless you make a full apology to Dave on this list
you are going to be the first person to be banned, Dr Baron. On this list, we
work on the basis of encouraging and helping each other out with our shared
interest. We do not launch petty attacks on people who have only tried to
help. As a result of your behaviour, I would be very surprised if anyone helps
you in your research. I do not have any relevant information myself, but if I
did I certainly wouldn't be sharing it with you - and this goes against the
grain as I'm usually more than happy to share any information which I
have.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007>I look forward to seeing your apology to
Dave Cawley. If it doesn't materialise, they you're
out.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007>David
Bryant</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=997472915-27072007><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=997472915-27072007>List
Moderator</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P></P></DIV><!--End group email -->
<P>
<HR>
<P></P>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free
Edition. <BR>Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date:
27/07/2007 06:08<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>