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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">David
Cawley</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 15 April 2008 6:39
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City> Historians] St. Mary's Denbigh</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As CJP has said, tower acoustics have so much to do with it.
But I heard Ballarat TH bells at Whitechapel before and after tuning, the
latter process having quite trandformed them. I can readily believe that they
sound even better in the tower.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As to Richard's claim for Pluckley (C&G Mears 1855), he
must of course admit to his tender years - I very much doubt if he rang there
before they were rehung in the early 60's. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Yes I did! They were truly dreadful in
every respect, not helped, I seem to remember, by having to stand on a pile of
coke to ring one of them! I still admit to my tender years however </span></font><font
color=black face=Wingdings><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:black'>J</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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href="mailto:richard.offen@SG3sEevfyml--OM5i-teLvTlpJlOdGYnB9Zw8OD4k0a2tWtHWoD8FLNpIL-xxSp27-btnpiuCtGHCsOIGnB61A.yahoo.invalid" title="richard.offen@S8Bp0w8RpyqjOep46PZiBHg-OGdQ5ia8a3yk7eUHNh1w24tAf4OLa6JuyMjY_NtjTmKOCSSjb4GSeUa9zQdBemZB.yahoo.invalid.au">Richard
Offen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"
title="bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, April 15,
2008 9:49 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [<st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City> Historians] St.
Mary's Denbigh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am told that <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Ballarat</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Town Hall</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
(M & S 1869), tuned by Whitechapel a few<br>
years ago, are superb too, but I haven't yet rung there ...been to a formal<br>
dinner in the hall, but not rung there!<br>
<br>
R<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Simon Reading<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 4:43 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City>
Historians] St. Mary's Denbigh<br>
<br>
Another good example is St Marie (RC) Cathedral, Sheffield (8, 25-0-4) <br>
cast by Mears in 1873, tuned by <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1:place></st1:City>
in the 1930's<br>
<br>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Richard Offen</st1:PersonName> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Contrary to popular belief (an prejudice!) not all later nineteenth <br>
> century Whitechapel rings are bad. Certainly many of them have tuned <br>
> up to produce superb rings – <st1:City w:st="on">Pluckley</st1:City>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Kent</st1:country-region> and St Philip’s
Church Hill, <br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City>
immediately spring to mind. Of course, there are others that <br>
> leave an awful lot to be desired!<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Richard<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> *From:* <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
<br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>]
*On Behalf Of *Bickerton, <br>
> Roderic (SELEX <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">GALILEO</st1:City>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region></st1:place>)<br>
> *Sent:* Monday, 14 April 2008 11:33 PM<br>
> *To:* <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br>
> *Subject:* RE: [<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City>
Historians] St. Mary's Denbigh<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Why do they sound so good?<br>
> <br>
> I thought I knew exactly what to expect from a 3/4 Tn 1873 Whitechapel 8.<br>
> <br>
> Wrong, they are very good.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Is anything known, were they some sort of experiment, tuned by someone <br>
> different, cast by someone else under contract or what? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> NBR <br>
> <br>
> " Denbigh, Clwyd<br>
> S Mary<br>
> Bell Weight Nominal Note Diameter Cast Founder Canons<br>
> 1 4-2-10 F 27.00 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 2 4-2-26 E 27.56 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 3 5-1-23 D 29.75 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 4 6-2-1 C 32.00 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 5 7-1-2 Bb 34.25 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 6 8-2-3 A 36.25 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 7 10-0-11 G 39.50 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> 8 14-2-11 F 43.94 " 1873 Mears & Stainbank Y<br>
> Source: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Chris Pickford </st1:PersonName>(WBF
1873 data); Tim Jackson<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Contributed by: John Baldwin<br>
> Last updated: 13/04/2008 "<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I have been told that they are on offer for £22,000.<br>
> The funds raised after removal costs and making good would be about<br>
£5,000. <br>
> <br>
> That's not even the cost of one new bell. <br>
> The cost of installing a similar new peal of bells would be around<br>
£150,000<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> These bells are of interest being possibly the best toned Victorian <br>
> ring of this weight to come out of Whitechapel.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The tower and bells were designed and built to complement each other all <br>
> being designed at the same time.<br>
> Tower foundation stone 6 July 1871, bells cast 1873, church consecrated <br>
> 7 December 1875, although complete December 1874.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City>
installations are usually compromised by having to fit bells into <br>
> an early tower not designed for them.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The unity of design so very well exercised has produced to my mind a <br>
> unique example of Victorian excellence.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> It is shocking to find that a chiming apparatus was fitted, probably <br>
> before the 1914/18 war which has prevented these bells from being rung, <br>
> full circle to produce the sound of ringing, which is part of the <br>
> heritage of these lands.<br>
> In place the town has had the sound of a crude chiming device, which <br>
> produces a thin poor tone reminiscent of continental bells.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The excellence of the engineering results in the bells still being <br>
> capable of ringing as intended and capable of being restored to a <br>
> condition of being regularly rung for fairly modest expense, despite 100 <br>
> years of neglect.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I hope that this asset is not destroyed for such a small financial gain. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I have taken recordings inside and outside and provided they are o/k, <br>
> can be made available. <br>
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