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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The extracts from the article on John Rogers are
interesting and (to me - as below) helpful - so thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regarding John's first peal, the extract actually
mentions two "first peals". Reading it, I think the one on the Peace Rejoicing
day of 29th May was probably not a full peal - rather his first open / public
ringing or (perhaps) his first 720. There is no record of any full peals being
rung at Nutford Place. Felstead lists no peals at Putney in 1856, but records
peals of Grandsire Triples on 3 January and 29 (or 28) December 1857. Perhaps
John's first 5040 was the latter of these.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The interest for me is in the involvement of John
Rogers in securing St.Martin-in-the-Fields as the headquarters of the
Cumberlands. The date of 1849 is sometimes quoted for this, but having
researched the peal records and other sources pretty exhaustively in connection
with my work on the bells (now at Swan Bells in Perth, of course) I had
concluded that the actual date was 1861. This seems to be confirmed by this
extract. The College Youths and the Cumberlands had jointly in 1837 - a sort of
informal acknowledgment of a shared interest in the tower. The next peal on the
bells was by a College Youths band on 26 February 1838, followed -
after repairs to the spire after lightning damage in 1842 - by another ASCY
peal in 1844. The next peal, on 3 January 1854, was by the Cumberlands. A
footnote to a peal on 30 October 1868, however, marked <SPAN lang=EN-GB
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seventh anniversary of George Morriss as steeple keeper and also of the above
Society as ringers" which implies that the Cumberlands became the parochial
ringers at St.Martin's in 1861. This would seem to tie in with the period
suggested in the article on John Rogers.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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to the latter period at St.Luke's, the suggestion that Wilfred Williams may have
rung there in the 1930s (my earlier posting) would fit with it having been a
Cumberland tower since Wilfred was a member of that Society at the
time.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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