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Richard will be listening and grinding as a musician. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face";color:blue'>I’m
worried that I’m hearing what Richard hears and not what Bill’s thesis
tells me I ought to hear. Bill – I confess that I’ve not read your
thesis yet – how much is the flattening of the trebles effect subjective
and likely to different interpretation with different ears? I’m not aware
that any of the tens and twelves I personally have tuned have trebles that
sound flat to the extent that criticism has abounded. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill Hibbert<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 08 December 2008 10:54<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bell Historians] GSM
Cambridge and stretch tuning</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>RO:<br>
> When <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1:place></st1:City>
recast the trebles and restored [GSM] in 1952 they made <br>
them one of their horrible 'stretched' peals<br>
<br>
In the debate about stretch tuning, there are no right answers, only <br>
different wrong ones and the need for compromise! GSM is one of the <br>
peals that I investigated in my PhD (page 219, for anyone who has <br>
downloaded a copy) and in fact the treble tuning is close to that <br>
needed to compensate exactly for the flattening of the strike note due <br>
to the treble profiles. This is pretty remarkable given that Paul <br>
Taylor (I assume it was he) had no theoretical understanding of the <br>
need for stretch, only the evidence of his ears.<br>
<br>
Richard, you are listening to these bells as a bellfounder, not as a <br>
man-in-the-street. Of course the nominals are sharp - but the strike <br>
notes are flat. Stretch tuning is no longer fashionable, due to the <br>
discordance of various partials in true-harmonic peals heard in the <br>
tower. It was certainly taken to extreme in peals like GSM. However, <br>
the insistence on exact tuning of nominals, because they are easy to <br>
measure, means the rest of us have to suffer flat / dull trebles in <br>
higher numbers. Because it is so hard to measure what we hear, the <br>
argument is lost as soon as the tuning forks come out. That doesn't <br>
mean that what we hear isn't real!<br>
<br>
The two sides of the argument are neatly summarised by two comments on <br>
a Youtube video of the <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">New York</st1:place></st1:State>
12 (<a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?">http://uk.youtube.<wbr>com/watch?</a><br>
v=0w6SQdrFSUg)<br>
> is the top bell out of tune?<br>
> no it isn't <br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bill H<br>
<br>
PS insert smilies to taste.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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