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You will notice that at no point did I say that I felt Cornhill should be deprived of a new ring: that's the locals choice and well done to them for taking the initiative.<BR>
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As many know, I have rather a soft spot for the somewhat idiosyncratic sound of the current Cornhill ring (as did the late Chris Dalton) and will be sorry to see them go, but I don't have ring there every week, so it's not my place to condemn the present scheme. Does it really matter that they are a 20th century example of old style tuning? Surely it's their uniqueness that makes them a bit different and of historic interest to future generations? <BR>
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If a new home can be found for the old bells, all well and good ...you never know, in a different tower, they could be transformed into something quite good! If not, there will, no doubt, be only few who will mourn their loss.<BR>
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<P>This is all rather silly. Cornhill are a poor example of an old-style ring - take a look at them: they're mainly 20th century - much that is "old" about them has long gone. It's a completely different situation to St Martin-in-the-<WBR>Fields which were an historic ring, partially tuned and poorly clappered (and now very good at Swan).<BR>
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In practical terms Cornhill bells are too big for the tower: they require a two tier frame (5 on 7) so low down that the intermediate chamber is inadequate for sound balancing. Best to start again with a better plan.<BR>
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And if you want old-style go to St Paul's, St Sepulchre's or Southwark - all much finer in those terms, and enjoyed by many. Let Cornhill have the decent ring it has never had.<BR>
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> It remains to be seen if reducing the tenor by about half a ton makes any<BR>
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