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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Offen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday 24 June 2009 14:39<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bell Historians]
Restorations etc</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Belmoline C was, I suspect, the “</span></font><font
face=Optima><span style='font-family:Optima'>substance resembling chocolate”
referred to by Rod. It was a readily available, grease that was
commonly recommended for all sorts of ball bearings …I remember my
grandfather using it to grease the wheel bearings of his Humber Scepter car.<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Cawley<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 24 June 2009 9:31
PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Restorations etc</span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
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<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As I
said, the statement about "unsuitability" was a long standing one of <st1><st1><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1></st1></st1:place></st1:City>', and
(if you believed it) a good sell for their type. It was sometimes accompanied
by deprecatory remarks about the accompanying bedplates
as "simple strips of metal", and the method of securing
being "mere coachscrews as opposed to proper bedscrew bolts".
I've not seen that sort of expression in <st1><st1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Taylor</st1></st1></st1:place></st1:City> reports for many years now.</span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An
attractive feature of the M&S type as opposed to what JT advocated was
of course economy, and it enabled many "impossible" rings in
cash-strapped churches to continue in use at a cheaper price than JT or G&J
would have charged for theirs. </span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I note what
Rod said about pinching. I remember a <st1><st1><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Kent</st1></st1></st1:place></st1:country-region> job done in the
early 70's which was a remarkably successful restoration. At a practice,
however, it was stated that one of the larger bells did not go as well as the
rest, and there was no visible reason for it. I ascended whilst ringing was in
progress and took the back cover off the housing, and came down to find all
smiles. Of course, the cover had to be replaced to exclude dirt,
but the following week I brought with me and fitted a retaining
washer half the thickness of that originally on the gudgeon, and I
understand that they've been happy ever since.</span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>On lubricant
for bells, do I remember in my youth that certain tower cards advised the use
of "Belmoline C" for ball bearings; and exactly what was this
substance, supposing it ever to have existed?</span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
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background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:rodbick@eVNs4sBv-7KZEQdtJowAWuVkTqiktz9mZnyywHKBefxG43IrigkmFRwElKVShc7pEbWXxlFD3FVHch2iD0YaKt8.yahoo.invalid" title="rodbick@eVNs4sBv-7KZEQdtJowAWuVkTqiktz9mZnyywHKBefxG43IrigkmFRwElKVShc7pEbWXxlFD3FVHch2iD0YaKt8.yahoo.invalid">Roderic
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would
challenge the statement of unsuitability of Whitechapel single row<br>
races, they were excellent by design, but some suffered from 3 possible<br>
installation faults, the first being an unsuitable grease which attacked the<br>
housing and turned into a substance resembling chocolate.<br>
The second was not allowing enough end float sometimes resulting in<br>
pinching.<br>
The third was the design of the gudgion baring retaining washer, which<br>
sometimes came loose, allowing the retaining screw to rub on the housing<br>
causing contamination, which resulted in destruction of the bearing.<br>
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Over enthusiastic grease packing causes grease pumping losses, and can cause<br>
the baring to fail. There needs to be enough space in the bearing housing to<br>
allow the moving parts of the bearing to clear themselves of grease, and run<br>
un encumbered by grease. This is well known.<br>
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The bearings themselves were self aligning because the outer raceway had a<br>
spherical outside which was housed in a spherical holder with a plain<br>
outside. <br>
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From: <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of David Cawley<br>
Sent: 24 June 2009 01:06<br>
To: <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br>
Subject: [Bell Historians] Restorations etc<br>
<br>
Rod's remarks about that good old M&S eight at Axminster pre-restoration
are<br>
very much to the point and in my opinion most appropriate. It is a pity<br>
therefore to read of his recent disappointment. Rings like Axminster was<br>
deserve to be cherished. It was always a pleasure to go there and enjoy what<br>
Rod describes and then go to the marvellous heavy six (JT 1925) at<br>
Axbridge.<br>
<br>
I also concur with his remarks about the pre-restoration ring at King's<br>
<st1><st1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Lynn</st1></st1></st1:place></st1:City>.
I rang there regularly in 1964-5 including a couple of peals, and<br>
found them tough going after a while. They all had Mears single race ball<br>
bearings of 1953, but the majority of the fittings were Mears 1887, with a<br>
frame partly of that date and partly of 1766. This frame remains in the<br>
tower, the new frame beneath it. At the time of the recent restoration it<br>
was suggested that the two 1887 trebles might be recast, being vastly<br>
inferior to the other bells (including the 8th of 1893). <st1><st1><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1></st1></st1:place></st1:City>'
recent<br>
tuning has made them far more acceptable, and the money was better spent on<br>
recasting and enlarging the uncharacteristicall<wbr>y horrible Dobson 9th. The<br>
L&P tenor is a superb bell even at only 28-1-4 in C# ; this untuned bell<br>
retains its canons, which may account for some people finding it slow<br>
turning or "ringing its weight". If the natural speed of the bells is<br>
respected they can be appreciated as a fine ten and a good job in every<br>
respect, notwithstanding the recent, well-aired and now resolved problems,<br>
which were not of the Foundry's making. <br>
<br>
As I say, the bells were previously on Mears 1953 single race bearings. It<br>
used to be a "stock phrase" of <st1><st1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Taylors</st1></st1></st1:place></st1:City> that "these are of a
shafting type<br>
which we do not consider at all suitable for church bells." In fact
between<br>
about 1925 and the 1970's (when they went over to the off-the-peg double-row<br>
housings) Mears & Stainbank fitted thousands of these units. The
substantial<br>
housings are beautifully engineered and I would hazard a guess that a<br>
sizeable number continue to give good service to-day. The main danger, as<br>
Rod says, is dirt, which may enter through over-greasing and bursting the<br>
seals; another danger is of course lack of use, which may cause spotting of<br>
the ball races. These are equally enemies of double-race bearings. <br>
<br>
DLC <o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<BR>
Version: 8.5.374 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2198 - Release Date: 06/23/09 17:54:00<BR>
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