<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thank you for your email Bill;<div><br></div><div>I appreciate what you are saying, nevertheless, from past experience with John Harrison's ideas, </div><div><br></div><div>I am convinced that his writings on bell manufacturing and design merit closer examination.</div><div><br></div><div>I have yet to be clear about your differences of "pitch and frequency". </div><div><br></div><div>Agreed; chosen tuning systems are subjective and influenced by fashion, although it seems to me that the beat frequencies may hold the "key" to some of the apparent paradoxes.</div><div><br></div><div><div>I have been in contact with a number of people who are interested in Taylor's and will be looking at the practicalities over the next few days.</div><div><br></div><div>I look forward to exchanging ideas with you in the near future.</div><div><br></div><div>best wishes</div><div><br></div><div><div>On 20 Sep 2009, at 17:04, oakcroft13 wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; width: 655px; position: relative; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; width: 470px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 25px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; float: left; z-index: 1; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; ">Charles Lucy:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> the perfect opportunity to retune all the major Western bells to John Harrison's specs, using his methods of course<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I have been meaning to send a reply to your previous messages for a few weeks but have been busy on other things :-(. I won't post a detailed response here - established list members will roll their eyes and say 'not again'! - but will send you a private message with a detailed response. In summary:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">* in bells, unlike almost all other musical instruments, the higher partials cannot be used to provide clues as to correct tuning of fundamentals<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">* as a result, pitch judgement in bells (e.g. the answer to the question 'are these bells exactly in tune with each other') is to some extent a cultural rather than a scientific question - our choice of preferred temperament is a question of taste<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">* there is a very important distinction to be drawn between pitch (the note assigned by our aural system) and frequency (what we measure with instruments)<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">* due to the unusual upper partial structure in bells, there can be a major discrepancy between pitch and frequency (25 or 50 cents) that far exceeds any differences in frequency due to temperament<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">* experiments have shown that this discrepancy between pitch and frequency provides a good numerical explanation for stretch tuning.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It's a tragedy about Taylors. Let's hope for a good outcome for all their staff.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Bill H<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></p></div><div width="1" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: white; clear: both; "></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Charles Lucy</div><div><a href="mailto:lucy@Q-amVotFR7IzSG10P66A-KXk_pDxulZW5Hh8SoD6eycU-cD65RaE5shdW2LKOT3vrztNqMUQZQg.yahoo.invalid">lucy@Q-amVotFR7IzSG10P66A-KXk_pDxulZW5Hh8SoD6eycU-cD65RaE5shdW2LKOT3vrztNqMUQZQg.yahoo.invalid</a></div><div><br></div><div>- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -</div><div><br></div><div>for information on LucyTuning go to:</div><div><a href="http://www.lucytune.com">http://www.lucytune.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:</div><div><a href="http://www.lullabies.co.uk">http://www.lullabies.co.uk</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>