<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thank you for your comments Richard;<div><br></div><div><div>I appreciate the catastrophic consequences that can result from tuning experiments gone wrong;-)</div><div><br></div><div><div>Yet out of curiosity I just quickly analysed the tunings at Worcester from the recordings at:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://freespace.virgin.net/worcester.cityparish/wbells/worcscat1.index.html#BELLS">http://freespace.virgin.net/worcester.cityparish/wbells/worcscat1.index.html#BELLS</a></div><div><br></div><div>Using Melodyne DNA editor Beta, which indicates that (near as damn it), the intervals are in twelve-note equal temperament, except the G:</div><div><br></div><div>Here is what I found:</div><div><br></div><div><div>Notes from Melodyne in Worcester min10.wav</div><div>pitches shown at end of file + & - in cents.</div><div>C#5 -12</div><div>G#4 -13</div><div>G4 -0</div><div>E4 -3 & -8</div><div>D#4 -6</div><div>C#4 -14</div><div>C4 -11</div><div>A3 -12 & -8</div><div>F#3 -13 & -12</div><div>D#3 -11 & -10</div><div>G2 + 32</div><div>G1 +32</div><div><br></div><div>Worcester CathClip.wav</div><div>F#5 -33</div><div>E5 -33</div><div>D#5 -37</div><div>C#5 -34</div><div>B4 -33</div><div>D4 -29</div><div>C#4 -36</div><div>G#3 -33</div><div>D#3 -33</div><div>B1 -31</div><div><br></div><div>Stated on site as:</div><div><br></div><div>The Bells</div><div><br></div><div>Bell No.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Diameter<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Weight<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> Note</div><div>Treble<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2ft - 5ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 6cwts-3qrs-8lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F sharp</div><div>2<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 2ft - 6ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 7cwts-1qrs-16lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>E</div><div>3<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2ft - 7ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 7cwts -2qrs-20lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> D sharp</div><div>4<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 2ft - 8 1/2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 7cwts -3qr -25lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>C sharp</div><div>5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 2ft - 11ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 8cwts -2qr-19lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>B</div><div>6<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 3ft - 1/2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 10cwts-0qr-6lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> A sharp</div><div>7<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 3ft - 3 1/2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>12cwts-0qr-1lb<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> G sharp</div><div>8<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 3ft - 7 1/2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 14cwts-3qrs-26lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> F sharp</div><div>9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4ft - 0ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 20cwts-0qrs-6lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>E</div><div>10<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4ft - 3ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 25cwts-2qrs-10lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>D sharp</div><div>11<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4ft - 9ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 34cwts-3qrs-4lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> C sharp</div><div>Tenor<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 5ft - 4ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 48cwts-0qrs-2lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> B</div><div>Flat 4th<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 2ft - 9 1/2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 8cwts-0qrs-15lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> C</div><div>Flat 6th<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3ft - 2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>10cwts-2qrs-24lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> A</div><div>Flat 8th<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3ft - 9ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> 16cwts-1qr-16lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>F</div><div>Bourdon<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>6ft - 4 1/2ins<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>82cwts-3qrs-24lbs<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> A</div><div><br></div><div>I listened to these bells for many hours as a child, watching cricket across the river, in or by the cathedral.</div><div><br></div><div>Worcester was my local city and my mother, a musician, who would often play and sing in the `"Three Choirs" cathedrals, whilst I watched or waited.</div><div><br></div><div>Next time I get the chance I shall make my own field recordings and see what a more precise analysis can produce using less "experimental" software.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't be concerned, Richard; even if I should buy Taylor's outright, it is highly unlikely that anyone would even let me get near these treasures, let alone run tuning experiments on them even if I wanted to ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On 21 Sep 2009, at 00:04, r_offen1 wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; width: 655px; position: relative; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; width: 470px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 25px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; float: left; z-index: 1; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; ">Frankly, I think we'd all much prefer it if, whoever buys out the Taylor business, and please God someone does, simply sticks to the Taylor tradition that has given us the glorious sounds of Worcester Cathedral, Chewton Mendip, St Chad's Shrewsbury, et al and only plays with the company's structure, not its tuning methods.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">R<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Thank you for your email Bill;<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I appreciate what you are saying, nevertheless, from past experience<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> with John Harrison's ideas,<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I am convinced that his writings on bell manufacturing and design<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> merit closer examination.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I have yet to be clear about your differences of "pitch and frequency".<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Agreed; chosen tuning systems are subjective and influenced by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> fashion, although it seems to me that the beat frequencies may hold<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> the "key" to some of the apparent paradoxes.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I have been in contact with a number of people who are interested in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Taylor's and will be looking at the practicalities over the next few<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> days.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I look forward to exchanging ideas with you in the near future.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> best wishes<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></p></div><div width="1" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: white; clear: both; "></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Charles Lucy</div><div><a 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