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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Very interesting if the Chancellor
granted the Faculty on the basis that the old frame was to be on permanent
display in the churchyard! I would assume that no Faculty was obtained for its
removal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>My view is that the Church is scared that
the Ecclesiastical Exemption may be withdrawn – it has been threatened
many times – that they will not take a tough line with EH and others.
This all goes back to the decision of the General Synod to grab money offered as
State Aid for Churches in the late 1970s. Many of us at the time were concerned
about the small print and events have proved that our fears were justified.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Pickford<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday 08 October 2009
21:59<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City> Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The Walsgrave frame is no longer there -
apparently it became a "den" in which youths smoked illegal
substances, and the police requested it's removal. It wouldn't have lasted long
there anyway</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>It deserved better. It was quite an worthwhile
frame - totally unsuitable for re-use, but interesting enough to merit
preservation <em><i><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>ex
situ</span></font></i></em> (subject to practicalities)<wbr>. It is illustrated
in <em><i><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Bellframes</span></font></i></em>
and also in my RW article on Walsgrave (RW 1985 p.1078)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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href="mailto:john@EwlS3YSuww6f9j01ztRGQdL-F0X75qkYnd5Q2qhfcUmcF_oycI0Aq_8t_bIqQ5NT6W8QrUPYdOjwUeXUcA.yahoo.invalid" title="john@EwlS3YSuww6f9j01ztRGQdL-F0X75qkYnd5Q2qhfcUmcF_oycI0Aq_8t_bIqQ5NT6W8QrUPYdOjwUeXUcA.yahoo.invalid">John H Allen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, October
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [<st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</st1:place></st1:City> Historians] CCCBR
and English Heritage<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black'>I wonder what SPAB would say about the old frame in the churchyard
at Walsgrave Coventry?<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
[mailto:bellhistori<wbr>ans@yahoogroups.<wbr>com] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anne Willis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday 08 October 2009
17:55<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [<ST1><ST1><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</ST1></ST1></st1:place></st1:City>
Historians] CCCBR and English Heritage</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- In <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>,
"Mark Regan" <markregan@.<wbr>..> wrote:<br>
>... I wouldn't rely on the CCCBR for anything to do to support the Church's<br>
planning process, the CBC, EH or anyone else.<br>
<br>
Another player in the game is SPAB (Society for Protection of Ancient<br>
Buildings); a most useful organisation if you have an old house, but<br>
unfortunately they also pronounce on old bell frames, the latest being<br>
Horton, Gloucs.<br>
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I have had correspondence with their secretary, Matthew Slocombe, and it<br>
seems to me that there is a very large gap between conservationists, who<br>
want to preserve things and think ringers are a bunch of noisy barbarians,<br>
and ringers, who want something that is safely full-circle ringable,<br>
preferably enjoyably.<br>
<br>
Another matter concerns the retention of old bell frames. WRT Horton SPAB<br>
was not happy about the idea to display the old frame in a nearby barn,<br>
security and context being the main issues. They seem immovable on the<br>
matter, despite the fact that a display in a barn is much more accessible,<br>
particularly for the disabled, safer, and easier to see and appreciate.<br>
Properly displayed, with perhaps a model bell and good labelling, people<br>
could actually learn something about bells and bell-hanging. <br>
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Anne<O></O><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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