<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes.<div><br><div>The peal should be tuned as John Harrison described using the meantone-type tuning derived from pi, which he advocated.</div><div><br></div><div>Harrison also wrote about the methods of manufacturing bells, and provided his radical numbers figures, which are yet to be understood.</div><div><br></div><div>see:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html">http://www.lucytune.com/academic/manuscript_search.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Any further insights would be appreciated;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>and this page for the frequencies, intervals and tuning details:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/pitch_02.html">http://www.lucytune.com/new_to_lt/pitch_02.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 13 Oct 2009, at 20:57, <a href="mailto:matthewhigby@tV2jNEOLAeXHnuRchWKhoD8AnlvXprS5P5Y0xP1vYVjtkU8CexhMLp69t1OU6lW9TW6oSPFZlafmWw.yahoo.invalid">matthewhigby@tV2jNEOLAeXHnuRchWKhoD8AnlvXprS5P5Y0xP1vYVjtkU8CexhMLp69t1OU6lW9TW6oSPFZlafmWw.yahoo.invalid</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; width: 655px; position: relative; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; width: 470px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 25px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; float: left; z-index: 1; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Could Mr Lucy explain to this list, exactly how a bell/peal of bells should be tuned? As far as I can tell, he appears to have very different ideas to most of us!</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "> </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Best wishes,</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "> </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Matthew Higby</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><a href="http://www.bell-hangers.com" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(30, 102, 174); ">www.bell-hangers.<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">com</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 4px; line-height: 1.22em; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Indeed the instruments should be in tune. But what is "in tune"????<div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It seems that some individuals on this list took exception to our bidding to take over Taylors and intervened with the administrators who failed to provide us with the bid information despite my having signed a confidentiality agreement, to which I conformed.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It looks to me as though your spoilers may well have shot themselves in their feet.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It seems to me that the way in which the bell business/industry was run and maintained requires entirely new business, engineering and tuning models:</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">a) The business model to provide capital investment, even out the cash flows and overcome the "feast and famine" patterns. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">The new model also needs to force the presently destructively competing vested interests to coincide.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">b) The engineering "improvements" to need make productive use of "21st century" engineering, technological, techniques and solutions.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">c) The tuning model has to acknowledge that bells are "out of tune" individually, and particularly in their tuning relationship to other members of their "often celebrated" peals.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Whoever eventually acquire the Taylor assets will need to seriously rethink the whole bells industry, if the "heritage" is to continue for future generations to enjoy.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I shall continue to take opportunities to influence the tuning of bells, yet it may be by less obvious and public means. Time will tell. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">In the meantime, we shall continue to change the rest of the world's musical tuning by working with musicians, and other parts of the music industry.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I am confident that eventually those tuning the bells (at least those that remain) will understand and use our findings.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">-----Original Message-----<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">From: Charles Lucy <lucy@harmonics.<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">com><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">To: bellhistorians@<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">yahoogroups.<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">com<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50 pm<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Re: Telegraph letter<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_d30b44aa-72bc-4db9-b33b-f58b0f3fa55b" style="line-height: 1.22em; "><span style="line-height: 1.22em; "> </span><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Indeed the instruments should be in tune. But what is "in tune"????<div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It seems that some individuals on this list took exception to our bidding to take over Taylors and intervened with the administrators who failed to provide us with the bid information despite my having signed a confidentiality agreement, to which I conformed.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It looks to me as though your spoilers may well have shot themselves in their feet.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">It seems to me that the way in which the bell business/industry was run and maintained requires entirely new business, engineering and tuning models:</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">a) The business model to provide capital investment, even out the cash flows and overcome the "feast and famine" patterns. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">The new model also needs to force the presently destructively competing vested interests to coincide.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">b) The engineering "improvements" to need make productive use of "21st century" engineering, technological, techniques and solutions.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">c) The tuning model has to acknowledge that bells are "out of tune" individually, and particularly in their tuning relationship to other members of their "often celebrated" peals.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Whoever eventually acquire the Taylor assets will need to seriously rethink the whole bells industry, if the "heritage" is to continue for future generations to enjoy.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I shall continue to take opportunities to influence the tuning of bells, yet it may be by less obvious and public means. Time will tell. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">In the meantime, we shall continue to change the rest of the world's musical tuning by working with musicians, and other parts of the music industry.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I am confident that eventually those tuning the bells (at least those that remain) will understand and use our findings.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">On 13 Oct 2009, at 19:55, nigelsdtaylor wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em; "><blockquote type="cite" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 4px; line-height: 1.22em; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Yes indeed! I am only too aware of the increasing difficulty in obtaining permission to replace bells, frames, and to tune old bells. Parishes aspirations are generally listened to by the conservationist bodies, but often ignored. Sometimes, there is no semblance of a compromise, and the ringers are left with what they consider as an unsatisfactory installation.<span class="Apple-converted-space" style="line-height: 1.22em; "> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">The code of practice states that a ring of bells is a musical instrument and should sound in tune. However, there have been many occasions during the last few years when this statement has been completely ignored.<span class="Apple-converted-space" style="line-height: 1.22em; "> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Faculties can take months, and sometimes years to obtain; this leads invarably to greater expense for a parish, and difficulties for those of us in the trade to operate with any real degree of efficiency. We are businesses, that like any other business must try to trade profitably, and this has become increasingly difficult to achieve.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Nigel Taylor<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div></div><div width="1" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: white; "></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-variant: normal; font-style: normal; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; letter-spacing: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; font-weight: normal; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Charles Lucy</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><a href="mailto:lucy@vhjB0EnnxwQPGg-80DqRLWavUIaU0In-azq50KMX6xZhPauw_lw6reMHsSZxd2ptYzcgKdi3ISw.yahoo.invalid" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(30, 102, 174); ">lucy@l ucytune.<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">com</a></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">for information on LucyTuning go to:</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><a href="http://www.lucytune.com/" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(30, 102, 174); ">http://www.lucytune<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">.com</a></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; ">For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><a href="http://www.lullabies.co.uk/" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(30, 102, 174); ">http://www.lullabie<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">s.co.uk</a></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder" style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; "></div></div><div width="1" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: white; "></div></div></div></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div width="1" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: white; clear: both; "></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Charles Lucy</div><div><a href="mailto:lucy@vhjB0EnnxwQPGg-80DqRLWavUIaU0In-azq50KMX6xZhPauw_lw6reMHsSZxd2ptYzcgKdi3ISw.yahoo.invalid">lucy@vhjB0EnnxwQPGg-80DqRLWavUIaU0In-azq50KMX6xZhPauw_lw6reMHsSZxd2ptYzcgKdi3ISw.yahoo.invalid</a></div><div><br></div><div>- Promoting global harmony through LucyTuning -</div><div><br></div><div>for information on LucyTuning go to:</div><div><a href="http://www.lucytune.com">http://www.lucytune.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>For LucyTuned Lullabies go to:</div><div><a href="http://www.lullabies.co.uk">http://www.lullabies.co.uk</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></div></body></html>