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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the meantime, could I suggest that the
local ringers seek permission to look after the bells and even arrange some
ringing on them?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brian Meldon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 15 October 2009 20:31<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [<st1:City w:st="on">Bell</st1:City>
Historians] Hanley Stoke on <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Trent</st1:place></st1:City></span></font><span
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think that we are all missing the point here. It is
no good any of us trying to think up justification for removing the bells, I am
sure we would all like to see then moved and ringing again at another location
and there are many ways that we as ringers can justify removing the bells from
a redundant listed church. <br>
A far better approach to the problem would be to enquire with Stoke on Trent
City Council planning department to find out under what circumstances would
they consider granting consent to removing the bells and then make sure the
application lists these circumstances as the reason for their removal. My
experience with planning departments in Chelmsford Essex is that they are very
helpful if prospective planning applicants enquire as to the circumstances that
a given project can be achieved within the planning guidelines rather than just
applying for consent first without speaking to them. If nothing else it shows
that the applicant has shown due diligence in preparing the application and has
done so with the cooperation of the planning department. Quite often an
informal chat with the planning officers and the inclusion of the correct
wording or a specific minor detail in the application can result in an
otherwise difficult planning application gaining consent without any problems.<br>
They are all civil servants at the end of the day and are usually willing and
able to offer us advice on how to proceed.<br>
It is of course quite possible that this was done in the case of Hanley and
then the application was still rejected! If this was the case then there could
be grounds for an appeal. But you have to remember that planning authorities
are duty bound to contested appeals to the up most as an outcome against them
will result in the loss of public money.<br>
<br>
Brian Meldon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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