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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Where’s Bill Hibbert when you need
him?!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Charles Lucy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 15 October 2009
6:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians] Re:
Telegraph letter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
understand you skepticism Richard.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would guess that your favoured bells are tuned close to 12 edo,
(equal divisions of the octave).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As I found when hastily analysing the recordings of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Worcester</st1:place></st1:City> cathedral a few weeks ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This would enable them to be played in 12edo in any of twelve keys.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This (12edo) tuning system would be familiar to anyone who listened to
music during the twentieth century, for in that century it became the world's
ubiquitous tuning system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There is general agreement amongst all musical academics and most
musicians that none of the intervals of 12edo are "in tune", and that
this 12th root of 2 tuning system is a convenient (yet flawed) compromise.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Tuning bells to <st1:place w:st="on">Harrison</st1:place>'s
recommendations, as with all meantone-type tunings, would limit the
number of keys in which 12 bells could be played .<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For example G# and Ab are different frequencies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Therefore if the naturals (C through B) are tuned in a Large Large
small Large Large Large small (LLsLLLs) pattern the "black notes" are
limited. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>E.g. E major triad uses E G# B; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Using the wrong "black note" sounds particularly dissonant.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Bells may not be the same as guitars, yet the same principles of tuning
will apply, just as they do for guitars and all other musical instruments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 15 Oct 2009, at 11:29, Richard Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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David Bryant asked:<br>
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> To put it more clearly, what are the advantages of the<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
> tuning system which you are proposing, and what are its<span
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> advantages over and above any other tuning system?<br>
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... to which Charles Lucy responded:<br>
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> Rather than re-writing the text from an existing site, I<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
> would like to suggest that you got to a place where the<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
> whole system derived from John Harrison's writings is<span
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> explained in detail, and comparisons to other systems are<span
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> shown.<br>
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So far as I can see, the purported advantage of your / John<span
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Harrison's tuning system is that you can tune an instrument<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
such that music played in different keys sound equally good.<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
You mention, for example, the problem of tuning a<span
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traditional guitar such that you are happy with both the E<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
major and G major chords.<br>
<br>
Now how is that relevant to bell ringing? We have a brand<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
new <st1:City w:st="on">Taylor</st1:City> twelve in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Cambridge</st1:place></st1:City>, one that I'm overwhelmingly<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
pleased with. We use it to ring rounds in D major, Stedman<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
Cinques in D major, Cambridge Maximus in D major, Bristol<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
Maximus is D major. We have even attempted to ring Orion<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
transposed into D major; unfortunately some of the chords in<span
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this piece sound most unpleasant. I can only assume this<span
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must be due to some subtle problem with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylor</st1:place></st1:City>'s
tuning of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
the bells, as it often sounds melodious when rung by others<span
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on the C major Whitechapel twelve at Bow. I shall be<span
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raising this serious issue with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1:place></st1:City>
in the near future.<br>
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Never once have we decided to ring Fabian Stedman's<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
masterpiece, but in a deep, sonorous Bb major for a change:<span
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we simply don't care what our bells would sound like rung in<span
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a far-removed key. We ring them in D major, sometimes we<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
ring the front eight in G major, and if we're in a silly<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
mood, we might try the descending melodic minor ten in E.<span
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All closely related keys. Bells are not the same as<span
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guitars.<br>
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RAS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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