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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Badge as requested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>RONALD EAST<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 October 2009 15:58<br>
<b>To:</b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Founder's mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The bell has no inscription or date on it and therefore
the date of 1693 (as recorded on the NBR) could not have been taken from the
bell. The founder's mark is almost inaccessible at the back of the bell
and could only be seen by pressing plasticine onto it and taking a plaster
cast from the mould. However, the first St Nicholas' Church was built in 1693
by Sir John Lowther when a fisherman's chapel on the site was demolished
to make way for the new church. The church was subsequently rebuilt again in
1882 and it is this building that burned down in 1973. Could it be that the
date of 1693 was simply assigned to the bell in the year that the new church
was consecrated? Does this imply that the bell was from the earlier building?
Interestingly, a card index (now held at Church House) of a visit to St
Nicholas' church by Barry Thompson in the 1970s says:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em>- one old bell, 1693 (?), diameter about 3'6"</em><br>
<em>- a bell and a clock mentioned in accounts, 1693 [Jackson II p. 117]</em><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thompson clearly had doubts about the date 1693 - but it
could be earlier, of course. Also, what is the reference to a publication by
'Jackson'?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Also, pursuing the other line of enquiry, does anyone
have a high quality image of Warner's mark from bells cast in the 1860s and
70s?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ron East<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Mon, 19/10/09, George Dawson <i><george@IHHWsTjSZKwElr9svqrMoGb2E_PITGsEgXHvvGUyuMt3hvbDcHYujBIBx_W70B6ziokVP9nK9jxWrpLS_9d-gRtOsXI.yahoo.invalid.uk></i></b>
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From: George Dawson <george@X9QcHTjy6sKsiZvI6PxrTZN9IJsd77Pd0L-f62MhEuC5eT1trRLubfYbDws8XjHAHc41xtZb603XFLMHBJ_gKfOdMjs.yahoo.invalid><br>
Subject: [Bell Historians] Founder's mark<br>
To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
Date: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 8:26 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Oh, & can we have the full
inscription if there is one, and the diameter please.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>
bellhistorians@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:bellhistori ans@yahoogroups. com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>George Dawson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 October 2009 07:58<br>
<b>To:</b> bellhistorians@ yahoogroups. com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] Founder's mark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>It’s a John Warner mark, badly copied!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> bellhistorians@
yahoogroups. com [mailto:bellhistori ans@yahoogroups. com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>RONALD
EAST<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2009 20:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Bell Historians<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] Founder's mark [1 Attachment]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto'>Can anyone identify the founder of the bell from this rubbing taken
of the mark. The bell is at St Nicholas' Church, Whitehaven. The church was
never rebuilt after it burned down, leaving only the tower standing. A cast
was taken of the mark and, from this, the rubbing was taken. Local
history holds that the bell was cast in Ireland.<o:p></o:p></p>
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