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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Cairns<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday 23 October 2009 09:27<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bell Historians] Lobby
Groups WAS Daily Telegraph letter</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I guess we have to be realistic; this is
SPAB's position and they are going to argue it whether we think it is
reasonable or not. Is the CCCBR the best <st1:PersonName w:st="on">org</st1:PersonName>anisation
to represent our position? Lets leave aside what many see as the deficiencies
of the CC. EH and SPAB are consulted on many different aspects of our heritage
and not just bells (obviously). This inevitably gives them a sense of
importance that the CC does not and will never have. Could there be some sort
of <st1:PersonName w:st="on">org</st1:PersonName>anisation that might represent
a broader group and so have more influence? At a church level there are similar
problems faced by <st1:PersonName w:st="on">org</st1:PersonName>anists, choirs
and congregations who want to either replace irrepairable <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">org</st1:PersonName>ans or modernise church buildings to keep them in
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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John Harrison<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Daily Telegraph letter</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>> SPAB's
manifesto:-<br>
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> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
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href="http://www.spab.org.uk/what-is-spab/spabs-purpose/"><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>http://www.spab.<wbr>org.uk/what-<wbr>is-spab/spabs-<wbr>purpose/</span></font></a><br>
<br>
</span></font><span lang=EN-US>Interesting reading:<br>
<br>
'Repair not Restore'<br>
'Although no building can withstand decay, neglect and depredation<br>
entirely, neither can aesthetic judgement nor archaeological proof justify<br>
the reproduction of worn or missing parts. Only as a practical expedient on<br>
a small scale can a case for restoration be argued.'<br>
<br>
That suggests that a block of masonry that has weathered away should not be<br>
replaced with new stone, and that if it is, it should not be carved to<br>
match the profile of the piece being replaced. Yet from my observation,<br>
that is standard practice on most cathedrals with heavily eroded stonework.</span><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
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