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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>What is factually incorrect about my
letter? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>The fact that there <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>are</span></i> some preserved rings was not the
point. Bells were made to be rung, not left silent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>The example of a collapsing frame is an
extreme one, but it is factually correct that most bell installations, when not
used, are totally forgotten. I can think of a number of examples
where we know for a fact that the inspecting architect did NOT visit the belfry
as part of a</span></font><font color=black face=Optima><span style='font-family:
Optima;color:black'> <span lang=EN-GB>quinquennial</span></span></font><font
color=black face=Optima><span style='font-family:Optima;color:black'>
inspection, so the potential for collapse is real in some cases.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>What ever the answer, it’s purely academic
as my letter wasn’t published!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bickerton, Roderic (SELEX <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">GALILEO</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region></st1:place>)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 26 October 2009 6:27
PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bell Historians]
Daily Telegraph letter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I do not like the letter because it is factually incorrect.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>there are a fair number of examples of "preserved
rings" around.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Churches are inspected and collapse is prevented.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The sad site meeting the very rare visitor is one of bells
in there pits there mouths resting on timbers taking the load off decayed
framework and fittings, the whole supported on underpinning beams, the original
frame supports having long since rotted where they enter the tower walls. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Nothing destroyed, historically complete, and utterly
useless.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sometimes the utter stupidity of the situation is underlined
when you find out that because of H&S the only person ever allowed up to
see the mess is the church architect, which does beg the question as to who the
preservation is for.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistori<wbr>ans@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Offen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 22 October 2009 15:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bell Historians]
Daily Telegraph letter</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> *** WARNING ***<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Optima;
color:black'>The following has just gone off to the Telegraph:<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Sir,<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>The
English Heritage document, ‘Conservation Principles Policies and Guidance
for the Sustainable Management of the Historic Environment’ states:<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>“Our
definition of conservation includes the objective of sustaining heritage values.
In managing significant places, ‘to preserve’, even accepting its
established legal definition of ‘to do no harm’, is only one aspect
of what is needed to sustain heritage values.”<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Church
bells were designed to be rung, yes <i><span style='font-style:italic'>rung</span></i>,
not left mute like exhibits in a museum case. The very act of
rendering bells silent by the insistence of the retention of worn out and
sometime dangerous fittings and bell frames is to totally disregard every other
aspect of the heritage value of church bells.<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Philip
Venning’s comparison with a vintage car is a total red
herring. I cannot think of many vintage car owners who use their
vehicles for their weekly trip to the supermarket. It is not the
blindest bit of good bell ringers ringing the bells in a neighbouring village
church to summon people to church in their own village.<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>If
bells aren’t used they become forgotten and left to fester high up in a
tower. Eventually the bell frame gives up the unequal battle of
supporting the bells it contains and collapses, causing considerable damage to
both the tower fabric and historically significant bells. Then who
has won?<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Yours
etc.,<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Richard
Offen<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O></O>Captain
of the <ST1><ST1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bell</ST1></ST1></st1:place></st1:City>
Ringers<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ST1><ST1><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Bell</ST1></st1:PlaceName>
<ST1><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Tower</ST1></ST1><O></O></st1:PlaceType></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Perth</span></font></st1:place></st1:City></ST1></ST1><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3 face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <ST1><st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1></st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<ST1><st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1></st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Lewis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 22 October 2009
9:58 PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bell Historians]
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>At 14:24
22/10/2009, Richard Offen wrote:<br>
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>I hope someone is going to reply to this incredibly crass piece of <br>
>correspondence. I know that one of the ringers in <ST1><ST1><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Hobart</ST1></ST1></st1:place></st1:City> has <br>
>already sent an e-mail letter to the Telegraph.<br>
<br>
I hope so too - but I don't think it will be me. I doubt that they <br>
would publish two letters from the same individual within the space <br>
of a couple of weeks. The response needs to be short and pithy in my <br>
view (more chance of getting published that way as well).<br>
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Maybe you are the man for this task Richard!<br>
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RAL<O></O><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Christopher Martin Road</st1:address></st1:Street>, Basildon, <st1:place
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w:st="on">Wales</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Company no. 02426132<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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