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bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dickon Love<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 6 November 2009 7:24
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Unusual clock chimes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>David Cawley asks which came first: <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:place></st1:City> or Merton's chimes. Steven Ivin
and I had a correspondence about this some years ago, and concluded that Merton
must have copied these from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
<br>
DrL<br>
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-original message-<br>
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Unusual clock chimes<br>
From: "David Cawley" <<a
href="mailto:davidl.cawley%40btinternet.com">davidl.cawley@<wbr>btinternet.<wbr>com</a>><br>
Date: 06/11/2009 10:49 am<br>
<br>
In my email last night I omitted to mention that Helmore's Gregorian chimes of
Canterbury Cathedral are by no means unique, as devotees of Inspector Morse
will know. The quarter chimes at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Merton</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> - presumably on
the back five - are the same composition. This begs the question as to which
came first, <st1:City w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:City> (as Richard says, 1897)
or Merton; and if it was Merton, did they originate with Helmore, or did he
"borrow" the idea for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:place></st1:City>?<br>
<br>
I would take issue with him on the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Norwich</st1:place></st1:City>
"chimes being sounded automatically" - what a racket they make, being
struck in the order 12342345 with an "open handstroke" every
alternate row, monotonous and repetitive in the extreme, not least because of
the undersized hammers. The bells used to be sounded by human agency from a
chime rack in the N triforium, the ropes being attached to the old ringing
clappers as they had been since c1800. The sound was quite acceptable if if the
method was doubtful. The QUARTER CHIMES, composed by Precentor Medley for Dean
Goulburn's new clock, are however melodious, even and unusual. They are sounded
using full-sized and correctly proportioned hammers. It was to these perhaps
that Richard should have referred. For other comments on the service chimes,
aka 'Gilbert's Revenge' see the late Paul Cattermole's Church Bells of Norwich
with photos of the Cathedral bells by me.<br>
<br>
DLC (Norwich DAC Bells Adviser 1972-1977) <br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: Richard Offen <br>
To: <a href="mailto:bellhistorians%40yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
<br>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:35 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Unusual clock chimes<br>
<br>
The clock chime at Canterbury Cathedral, which is based on the 8th Gregorian
Chant and was composed in 1899 by the Cathedral's Precentor, Canon F.J.O.
Helmore (who was also a very fine ringers by all accounts) to commemorate the
1,300th (if memory serves me correct) anniversary of St Augustine landing in
Kent. The whole chime is topped off by the magnificent sound of Great Dunstan -
probably the best sounding 18th century bell in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Britain</st1:place></st1:country-region> (that statement should set
a debate going!).<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
<br>
On Mon Nov 2 6:50 , 'Mark Regan' sent:<br>
<br>
IR17;m thinking of doing a cd of big clock bells and unusual clock chimes in
the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
Please can subscribers let me know of any clock chimes which they think worth
recording? <br>
<br>
. <br>
<br>
With thanks<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
Mark Regan<br>
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