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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve heard it said a few times that
Mancroft tenor was tuned when the bells underwent a full restoration by <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1:place></st1:City> in 1925. I have
examined the job book entry at Loughborough for the job, and on that evidence
it seems that NONE of the bells were tuned. Those on the list who have examined
Taylors’ job books first-hand will be familiar with the format; for each
job is given the weights as received, the wheel diameters, estimated weights of
any new bells, weights “as dispatched”, and then underneath the
tuning figures, generally before and after tuning. For the Mancroft entry, the
table for the tuning figures has been set out, but no figures entered in the
table. Instead, underneath is written “not altered”. I have always
taken this phrase to indicate that no tuning was carried out on any of the
bells.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have not checked in the tuning books for
the Mancroft job, but the entry in the job book seems fairly conclusive. Does
anyone have documentary evidence that the tenor WAS tuned in 1925?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I did have a ring at Mancroft a couple of
years ago, expecting to hate them, but came away rather liking them. Perhaps I
was just taken in by the history of the place? But Bill Hibbert told me –
in terms I am still studying! – that there are definite reasons why I may
have liked them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andrew Bull<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Offen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 06 November 2009 03:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Unusual clock chimes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Although not strictly a clock chime, the very
plaintive sound of Norwich Cathedral bells being chimed automatically should be
a must for the recording!<br>
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I agree with you about the front 11 at Mancroft. Dunstan was pretty
near being a 'Simpson' bell before tuning and is near perfect (even upper
partials in tune) after.<br>
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Richard<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Fri Nov 6 5:18 , 'David Cawley' <DAVIDL>sent:</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>At Glandford, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Norfolk</st1:place></st1:City>,
there is a very good twelve-bell chime (Taylors 1900, 11-1-17 in G) complete
with chiming clock and an impressive barrell which plays every three hours;
there is a weekly selection of tunes. You can see it in action at the end
of the John Betjeman film A Passion for Churches. A video is still advertised for
sale on the Whitechapel website.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Re Richard's email below: the clock bells, now hanging
above Great Dunstan are all the more interesting as they are nos 4-8 of
the "characterful" old twelve which preceded the present ring in the
SW tower. On GD's place among good-sounding 18th-century bells: one has to
remember that the bell is by no means as cast - indeed some 6-cwt lighter after
the very successful tuning had been completed. I would put my
money on the Lester & Pack front 11 at Mancroft, never tuned by
anyone after being supplied to the church. When <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Taylors</st1:place></st1:City> rehung them in 1925 they neither
suggested nor undertook any tuning to these bells, only to the T Mears
II tenor.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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