<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]--><o:SmartTagType
namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="address"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="PlaceType"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="PlaceName"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="City"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="country-region"/>
<o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
name="place"/>
<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
</style>
<![endif]-->
<style>
<!--#ACTIVITY
{float:left;}
#activity span:first-child {
text-transform: uppercase;
}
.ATTACH
{display: table;}
div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
o {
font-size: 0;
}
#PHOTOS div
{float:left;}
#PHOTOS div div
{overflow:hidden;}
#PHOTOS div label
{overflow:hidden;}
#ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {
/* border-right: 0px solid #000;*/
margin-right: 2px;
padding-right: 5px;
}
#YGRP-MLMSG
{*font-size: small;
*font: x-small;}
#YGRP-MLMSG table
{font-size: inherit;}
#YGRP-MLMSG pre
{*font-size:100%;}
code
{*font-size:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {
line-height: 1.22em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right: none !important;
}
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Wingdings;
panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Optima;
panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:Verdana;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:#1E66AE;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:#1E66AE;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
code
{font-family:"Courier New";}
pre
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
tt
{font-family:"Courier New";}
p.attach, li.attach, div.attach
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial;}
p.bold, li.bold, div.bold
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;}
p.green, li.green, div.green
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:#628C2A;}
p.replbq, li.replbq, div.replbq
{margin:3.0pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.ad, li.ad, div.ad
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.underline, li.underline, div.underline
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.ad1, li.ad1, div.ad1
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.ad2, li.ad2, div.ad2
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:7.5pt;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.underline1, li.underline1, div.underline1
{mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
text-decoration:underline;}
span.yshortcuts1
{font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;}
span.yshortcuts2
{font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:normal;}
span.EmailStyle36
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:Optima;
color:black;
font-weight:normal;
font-style:normal;
text-decoration:none none;}
@page Section1
{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:2.0cm 2.0cm 2.0cm 2.0cm;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
{mso-list-id:1206941772;
mso-list-template-ids:-1855025088;}
@list l0:level1
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:\F0B7;
mso-level-tab-stop:36.0pt;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;}
ol
{margin-bottom:0cm;}
ul
{margin-bottom:0cm;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#1E66AE" vlink="#1E66AE">
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Just goes to show everyone’s tastes
are different! I’ve always found the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Norwich</st1:place></st1:City> ‘tune’ rather charming,
but then that has only ever been as an occasional visitor – these things
tend to seem different if you are resident! My fond memory of them is of a
good number of boating holidays on the Broads when visits to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Norwich</st1:place></st1:City> with a service at the Cathedral were
almost compulsory for the sheer joy they brought.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>Must admit I’ve often wondered if the
Merton chime came before <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:place></st1:City>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'>R<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Optima><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Optima;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Cawley<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 6 November 2009 6:48
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Unusual clock chimes</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<!doctype HTML>
<div id=ygrp-mlmsg>
<div style='z-index:1' id=ygrp-msg>
<div id=ygrp-text>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In my email last night I omitted to mention
that Helmore's Gregorian chimes of Canterbury Cathedral are by no means
unique, as devotees of Inspector Morse will know. The quarter chimes at <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Merton</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
- presumably on the back five - are the same composition. This begs the
question as to which came first, <st1:City w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:City> (as
Richard says, 1897) or Merton; and if it was Merton, did they originate
with Helmore, or did he "borrow" the idea for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Canterbury</st1:place></st1:City>?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I would take issue with him on the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Norwich</st1:place></st1:City> "chimes being sounded
automatically" - what a racket they make, being struck in the
order 12342345 with an "open handstroke" every alternate row,
monotonous and repetitive in the extreme, not least because of the undersized hammers.
The bells used to be sounded by human agency from a chime rack in the N
triforium, the ropes being attached to the old ringing clappers as they had
been since c1800. The sound was quite acceptable if if the method was
doubtful. The QUARTER CHIMES, composed by Precentor Medley for Dean
Goulburn's new clock, are however melodious, even and unusual. They
are sounded using full-sized and correctly proportioned hammers. It was to
these perhaps that Richard should have referred. For other
comments on the service chimes, aka 'Gilbert's Revenge' see the late Paul
Cattermole's Church Bells of Norwich with photos of the Cathedral bells by me.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>DLC (Norwich DAC Bells Adviser 1972-1977) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;
margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:richard.offen@NDpwCKtrqVmYT3YYVKB4ml_JzE8tM5b2nu0wU78YY66VW7IaLk2SLjmlZFy965KSZaeSqUjOk1wHKXMwdsep2WCIcO77.yahoo.invalid" title="richard.offen@udmk8Cszi3bILXtPEMgEleB9l9vBBG689heXDZ85h9mOT4mbRHYVUfBWM-sKU1Qz9LCeFnKh4HJda3AQ26c.yahoo.invalid.au">Richard
Offen</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"
title="bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, November
02, 2009 12:35 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Bell
Historians] Unusual clock chimes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div id=ygrp-text>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The clock chime at Canterbury Cathedral, which is
based on the 8th Gregorian Chant and was composed in 1899 by the
Cathedral's Precentor, Canon F.J.O. Helmore (who was also a very fine ringers
by all accounts) to commemorate the 1,300th (if memory serves me correct)
anniversary of St Augustine landing in Kent. The whole chime is
topped off by the magnificent sound of Great Dunstan - probably the best
sounding 18th century bell in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Britain</st1:country-region></st1:place> (that statement should set
a debate going!).<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Mon Nov 2 6:50 , 'Mark Regan' <MARKREGAN>sent:</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid whitesmoke 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;
margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div id=ygrp-text>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>IR17;m thinking of doing a cd of big clock bells and unusual clock
chimes in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
Please can subscribers let me know of any clock chimes which they think worth
recording? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>With thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Mark</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mark Regan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>22 Sebright Avenue</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Worcester</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WR5 2HH</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>01905 354339</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>07971 573688</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<!--End group email -->
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<!--End group email -->
<div>
</body>
</html>
<!-- end group email -->
<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<BR>
Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.52/2484 - Release Date: 11/06/09 07:38:00<BR>
</FONT></P>