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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Cawley<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 09 November 2009 12:15<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Mancroft tenor (was unusual clock chimes)</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Unfortunately a great many of my papers are presently atill
unpacked following the move from Leicester to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Margate</st1:place></st1:City>. However, I have seen and copied
certain of the correspondence re Mancroft tenor at Loughborough and am able to
recollect what I read. The whole restoration was quite an
involved case, and involved a <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Consistory
Court</st1:address></st1:Street> (which was largely about the bell frame; <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Taylors</st1:place></st1:City> were prepared to
strengthen the old one if required to do so, but in the end the Chancellor
allowed a new frame). So far as the tenor was concerned it was considerably
lighter than its "given" weight of 43-something. JT&Co stated
that ideally the bell should be recast, but settled for tuning it; not
extensively but with eminently satisfactory results. When the builders have
finished with my study, no doubt I would be able to produce the
"documentary evidence" Andrew requires. Meanwhile there is evidence
still to be seen in the bell itself.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:a_m_bull@Mo2S9kGzd4PCe3YMrbCIDzi0XA--69R5phH1F3Rf2kaLLSNflZxFMfHUg-k-ycEoR5Xsqi-yewXnuanP7ZZi.yahoo.invalid" title="a_m_bull@Mo2S9kGzd4PCe3YMrbCIDzi0XA--69R5phH1F3Rf2kaLLSNflZxFMfHUg-k-ycEoR5Xsqi-yewXnuanP7ZZi.yahoo.invalid">Andrew Bull</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, November
06, 2009 8:16 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [Bell
Historians] Mancroft tenor (was unusual clock chimes)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I’ve heard it said a few times that Mancroft tenor was tuned
when the bells underwent a full restoration by <ST1><ST1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Taylors</ST1></ST1></st1:place></st1:City> in 1925. I have examined
the job book entry at Loughborough for the job, and on that evidence it seems
that NONE of the bells were tuned. Those on the list who have examined
Taylors’ job books first-hand will be familiar with the format; for each
job is given the weights as received, the wheel diameters, estimated weights of
any new bells, weights “as dispatched”, and then underneath the
tuning figures, generally before and after tuning. For the Mancroft entry, the
table for the tuning figures has been set out, but no figures entered in the
table. Instead, underneath is written “not altered”. I have always
taken this phrase to indicate that no tuning was carried out on any of the
bells.<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O></O>I have not checked in the tuning books for the Mancroft job,
but the entry in the job book seems fairly conclusive. Does anyone have
documentary evidence that the tenor WAS tuned in 1925?<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O></O>I did have a ring at Mancroft a couple of years ago,
expecting to hate them, but came away rather liking them. Perhaps I was just
taken in by the history of the place? But Bill Hibbert told me – in terms
I am still studying! – that there are definite reasons why I may have
liked them.<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O></O>Andrew Bull<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <ST1><st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1></st1:PersonName>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Offen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 06 November 2009 03:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <ST1><st1:PersonName w:st="on">bellhistorians@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</ST1></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bell Historians]
Unusual clock chimes</span></font><O></O><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Although
not strictly a clock chime, the very plaintive sound of Norwich Cathedral bells
being chimed automatically should be a must for the recording!<br>
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I agree with you about the front 11 at Mancroft. Dunstan was pretty
near being a 'Simpson' bell before tuning and is near perfect (even upper
partials in tune) after.<br>
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Richard<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Fri Nov 6 5:18 , 'David Cawley' <DAVIDL>sent:<O></O></span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>At
Glandford, <ST1><ST1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Norfolk</ST1></ST1></st1:place></st1:City>,
there is a very good twelve-bell chime (Taylors 1900, 11-1-17 in G) complete
with chiming clock and an impressive barrell which plays every three hours;
there is a weekly selection of tunes. You can see it in action at the end
of the John Betjeman film A Passion for Churches. A video is still advertised
for sale on the Whitechapel website.</span></font><O></O><o:p></o:p></p>
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Richard's email below: the clock bells, now hanging above Great
Dunstan are all the more interesting as they are nos 4-8 of the
"characterful" old twelve which preceded the present ring in the SW
tower. On GD's place among good-sounding 18th-century bells: one has to
remember that the bell is by no means as cast - indeed some 6-cwt lighter after
the very successful tuning had been completed. I would put my
money on the Lester & Pack front 11 at Mancroft, never tuned by
anyone after being supplied to the church. When <ST1><ST1><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Taylors</ST1></ST1></st1:place></st1:City> rehung them in 1925 they
neither suggested nor undertook any tuning to these bells, only to the T Mears
II tenor.</span></font><O></O><o:p></o:p></p>
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