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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Unfortunately a great many of my papers are
presently atill unpacked following the move from Leicester to Margate. However,
I have seen and copied certain of the correspondence re Mancroft tenor at
Loughborough and am able to recollect what I read. The
whole restoration was quite an involved case, and involved a
Consistory Court (which was largely about the bell frame; Taylors were prepared
to strengthen the old one if required to do so, but in the end the Chancellor
allowed a new frame). So far as the tenor was concerned it was considerably
lighter than its "given" weight of 43-something. JT&Co stated that ideally
the bell should be recast, but settled for tuning it; not extensively but with
eminently satisfactory results. When the builders have finished with my study,
no doubt I would be able to produce the "documentary evidence" Andrew
requires. Meanwhile there is evidence still to be seen in the bell
itself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 06, 2009 8:16
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians] Mancroft
tenor (was unusual clock chimes)</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I’ve heard it said a
few times that Mancroft tenor was tuned when the bells underwent a full
restoration by <ST1><ST1>Taylors</ST1></ST1> in 1925. I have examined the job
book entry at Loughborough for the job, and on that evidence it seems that
NONE of the bells were tuned. Those on the list who have examined Taylors’ job
books first-hand will be familiar with the format; for each job is given the
weights as received, the wheel diameters, estimated weights of any new bells,
weights “as dispatched”, and then underneath the tuning figures, generally
before and after tuning. For the Mancroft entry, the table for the tuning
figures has been set out, but no figures entered in the table. Instead,
underneath is written “not altered”. I have always taken this phrase to
indicate that no tuning was carried out on any of the
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have not checked in
the tuning books for the Mancroft job, but the entry in the job book seems
fairly conclusive. Does anyone have documentary evidence that the tenor WAS
tuned in 1925?<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I did have a ring at
Mancroft a couple of years ago, expecting to hate them, but came away rather
liking them. Perhaps I was just taken in by the history of the place? But Bill
Hibbert told me – in terms I am still studying! – that there are definite
reasons why I may have liked them.<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard Offen<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 06 November 2009 03:58<BR><B><SPAN
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<ST1>bellhistorians@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</ST1><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Bell Historians] Unusual
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<P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Although
not strictly a clock chime, the very plaintive sound of Norwich Cathedral
bells being chimed automatically should be a must for the recording!<BR><BR>I
agree with you about the front 11 at Mancroft. Dunstan was pretty
near being a 'Simpson' bell before tuning and is near perfect (even upper
partials in tune) after.<BR><BR>Richard<BR><BR><BR><BR><B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">At Glandford,
<ST1><ST1>Norfolk</ST1></ST1>, there is a very good twelve-bell chime
(Taylors 1900, 11-1-17 in G) complete with chiming clock and an impressive
barrell which plays every three hours; there is a weekly selection of
tunes. You can see it in action at the end of the John Betjeman film A
Passion for Churches. A video is still advertised for sale on the
Whitechapel website.</SPAN></FONT><O></O></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Re Richard's email below: the
clock bells, now hanging above Great Dunstan are all the more
interesting as they are nos 4-8 of the "characterful" old twelve which
preceded the present ring in the SW tower. On GD's place among
good-sounding 18th-century bells: one has to remember that the bell is
by no means as cast - indeed some 6-cwt lighter after the very
successful tuning had been completed. I would put my money on
the Lester & Pack front 11 at Mancroft, never tuned by anyone after
being supplied to the church. When <ST1><ST1>Taylors</ST1></ST1> rehung
them in 1925 they neither suggested nor undertook any tuning to these bells,
only to the T Mears II tenor.</SPAN></FONT><O></O></P></DIV>
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