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color:#1F497D'>My CB Cambs is a second edition of 1881. Under the owl on
page 76 is cross [81] & fleur de lis [82].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Richard Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 September 2010 18:30<br>
<b>To:</b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Toby Norris I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Thanks for your helpful comments, George.<br>
<br>
> Inspection of the inscription in CBCambs reveals that they <br>
> have badge [81]. This is the same as CBLincs [2].<br>
<br>
My copy of Raven's Cambridgeshire doesn't have a badge 81, <br>
and I can't see a badge that does look like the [2] from <br>
North's Lincolnshire. It does list the Norris owl (fig 28, <br>
facing p.34) which is apparently on the All Saints, <br>
Cambridge bell. Am I missing some pages?<br>
<br>
> The inscription at Swayfield, Lincs (2nd of 3) has [2] and <br>
> includes ... TOBIE NORRIS CAST ME.<br>
<br>
I'd noticed this bell, but the inscription is different, and <br>
not being aware of any similarity in the badge, I didn't <br>
consider it further. The 3 of 3 there, on the other hand, <br>
did have the same inscription, but no founder name, and a <br>
different badge [3].<br>
<br>
> There similar bells at Pinchbeck, Deeping St James to <br>
> mention but 2 more.<br>
<br>
Deeping St James is particularly good -- thanks for that -- <br>
two of the bells have that inscription followed by TOBIE <br>
NORRIS CAST ME (on one) and TOBIE NORRIS FECIT (on the <br>
other).<br>
<br>
In general, though, how reliable is comparing the badges <br>
when the badge is a very simple geometric figure such as <br>
North's [2], [3] and [5]? In particular, I notice that <br>
[5] (and I think [3]) both appear on the Priest's bell at <br>
Great St Mary's. This bears the inscription<br>
<br>
[3] THIS [5] BELL [5] WAS [5] MADE [5] BY [5] IOHN [5]<br>
WARRIN [5] 1607 [3]<br>
<br>
on one line around the shoulder joining up at badge [3]. <br>
I'm certain I've correct identified badge [5]; the only <br>
photo I have of the [3] on this bell is a little unclear. <br>
I'll take a better photo or rubbing when I'm next in the <br>
tower.<br>
<br>
If badges [3] and [5] are usually reliable indicators of a <br>
Toby Norris bell, what are we to make of this bell?<br>
<br>
I've always been a bit sceptical about the founder who <br>
produced our priest's bell. No other bells by a John Warren <br>
are known, and I'm also suspicious as a John Warren, a <br>
vintner, was churchwarden at GSM in 1607 and he was largely <br>
responsible for overseeing the completion of the tower that <br>
was going on at that time. (That said, there was certainly <br>
a second, rather younger, John Warren in the parish at the <br>
time, perhaps the son of the churchwarden, and it seems that <br>
he may have been a blacksmith. Conventional wisdom has it <br>
that the priest's bell was his sole attempt at bell founding <br>
-- if so, it's rather good for a first attempt.)<br>
<br>
RAS<o:p></o:p></p>
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