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<DIV>Dear Alan</DIV>
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<DIV>I have just returned from a month away (recording historic bells in Denmark) and have now caught up with the bellhistorians back-forth on all this G&J Riverside Church 'original trebles' business. </DIV>
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<DIV>At the risk of boring everybody to tears, and as a final word, the following might be of interest:</DIV>
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<DIV>1. The #7 bell ex-Riverside carillon would have been pitch F#5 (CFJ numbered from the top end, of course, with no.1 being C7 - why have it simple when you can have it complicated?)</DIV>
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<DIV>2. At Wellington, we have in storage twenty G&J lathe-cut trebles dating from 1929, therefore of nearly identical casting period as RC. Owing to tuning damage from extensive salt air corrosion in Wellington, these bells were replaced in 1985 (but NOT melted down!)</DIV>
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<DIV>3. The no.3 bell of the Wellington archived set is also an F#5 (no.1 being G#5), which would be virtually identical in size to the original F#5 from New York.</DIV>
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<DIV>4. The physical measurements of the Wellington F#5 are as follows:</DIV>
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<DIV>DIAMETER: 178.5mm = 7.03 inches</DIV>
<DIV>HEIGHT: 148.0mm = 5.83 inches</DIV>
<DIV>SOUNDBOW THICKNESS: 15.1mm = 0.59" (very slightly thicker than the 9/16" = 0.5625" you mention).</DIV>
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<DIV>5. So, yes, the G&J treble soundbows really are 'this thin' (basically exact clones of larger bells, just shrunk in 3-D). </DIV>
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<DIV>6. The 'new' (1999) Whitechapel trebles are considerably larger/thicker/more resonant than the G&J originals would have been.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Timothy Hurd <FONT size=1>QSM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>National Carillonist of New Zealand</DIV>
<DIV>Director, National Carillon - Canberra, Australia<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Alan Buswell <aaj.buswell@aZiw00X2TfupVIwoptSXKy-An1qANA20sWhoooxZL1XO0VFWN0OAFzGa-CAMCYhGcNi2QGjRWeoG6Gq1HNWD.yahoo.invalid><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tue, 2 November, 2010 11:24:57 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Bell Historians] Riverside Carillon.<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I agree with the last paragraph as no one has come up with an answer I was expecting. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I thank every one who took the trouble to reply.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>AAJB</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians] Riverside Carillon.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">I guess I'm probably not alone in finding this thread rather unedifying and hardly worth further public discussion. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">Surely, a bell diameter is a diameter - edge to edge at the mouth. It's possible that some other measurement is recorded, but, if so, then it would not be described as the bell diameter. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">Isn't it more likely that we have some mis-measurement here? It's a pretty common experience for two people to get slightly different measurements of the same bell, although 1.125" is quite a big margin of error. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">Or is it possible that the 7" bell (if that really is a correct and exact measurement) is other than THE smallest of the Riverside bells - i.e. one of the smaller ones, rather than the smallest. It would be worth checking how the owner knows for sure which bell (s)he has got.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">Posted in the hope of closing the discussion</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">CP</FONT></DIV>
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