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<DIV><SPAN class=156101019-08012012><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Point
taken... but since when has Sheffield had a shipyard???? Naylor
Vickers had a steelworks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=156101019-08012012><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So far
as listing is concerned, so long as St Mary's remains in use as a church it's
covered by ecclesiastical exemption. So what happens to the bells is
up to the Birmingham Anglican Diocese, not Birmingham City
Council.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=156101019-08012012><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Peter</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Kevin Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> 08 January 2012 18:31<BR><B>To:</B>
bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bell Historians]
Moseley St Mary - Steel Bells<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>This is what i
Said,</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4></FONT></STRONG> <BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>If Moseley
Bells are Scrapped we will loose a piece of industrial
heritage,</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>I know the
bells sound like buckets, but that is there appeal & charm to hear how bad
they are.</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>It is like
watching a terrible TV programme, you may hate the film but you still watch
it.</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4></FONT></STRONG> <BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>If These
bells are Scrapped & not saved by for example The Black
Country Museum,</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>We
will loose the Historic Eight Steel Bells cast at the Shipyard of Naylor
Vickers & Co.</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4></FONT></STRONG> <BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>The only
other are the set of eight steel bells at Lancaster U.S.A. hung dead except
the tenor, </FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>They
are rung by a chimestand keyboard, Cast by Naylor Vickers & Co in
1860, </FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>with a Flat 7th
cast by Lester & Pack in 1768, The Tenor is Hung for
Ringing,</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4></FONT></STRONG> <BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Is there a
preservation order on the bells?</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000 size=4>like in a listed
building?</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4></FONT></STRONG> <BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4>Kev</FONT></STRONG><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=4></FONT></STRONG> <BR><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
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To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR>From: nickwbowden@7uk3yFXdSdBzX4Aj5QqaQbMPrdphCrkQ6yjTYgxy1TPoJRKwsktfPsOJBeYuH53eo2GSUXdvX367opevlrVk5b6i.yahoo.invalid<BR>Date:
Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:40:58 +0000<BR>Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Moseley St
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<DIV>I think what Kevin meant to say was that Lancaster will be the only
octave capable of being sounded as things stand, depending what happens to
Moseley.</DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Lancaster
are not hung for ringing.</SPAN><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dickon
Love<BR><B>Sent:</B> 08 January 2012 11:28<BR><B>To:</B>
bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bell Historians]
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: red">This is a shame because these are
the only remaining 8 steel bells in the world hung for ringing that were
</SPAN></STRONG><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: red">cast by Vickers except for the eight
steel bells at Lancaster, The Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Holy
Trinity </SPAN></STRONG><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: red">in Pennsylvania, U.S.A. that are
Chimestand
Chimed.</SPAN></STRONG></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Not so. Naylor, Vickers
& Co / Vickers, Sons & Co cast rings of eight for</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sheffield, S Marie
(transferred to Moseley, replaced by Mears 8 1874)</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Randwick, Sydney,
Australia (replaced by Taylor 8 2000)</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hurst, Lancs (Scrapped
c1960)</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hastings S Clement
(Replaced by Taylor 8 1965)</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Blackpool, Sacred Heart
(Replaced by Mears 8)</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Edinburgh, S Giles
(Chime, scrapped)</SPAN> </P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal>So actually Kevin is right, this is the last remaining
steel eight?</P></DIV>
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