<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div id="yiv131304739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" id="yiv131304739bodyDrftID" class="yiv131304739"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv131304739drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;"><div id="yiv131304739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" id="yiv131304739bodyDrftID" class="yiv131304739"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv131304739drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;"><div id="yiv131304739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" id="yiv131304739bodyDrftID" class="yiv131304739"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv131304739drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;"><div id="yiv131304739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" id="yiv131304739bodyDrftID" class="yiv131304739"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv131304739drftMsgContent"
style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;"><div id="yiv131304739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" id="yiv131304739bodyDrftID" class="yiv131304739"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv131304739drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt;"><div id="yiv131304739"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" id="yiv131304739bodyDrftID" class="yiv131304739"><tbody><tr><td id="yiv131304739drftMsgContent" style="font:inherit;font-size:10pt;"><font class="yiv131304739Apple-style-span" face="arial" style="font-family:arial;">Thanks - from sparse evidence in F. Uldall's (1906) 'Danmarks
middelalderlige Kirkeklokker' pp.68-70, I surmise that Nicolaus might just have been one of a number of bell-founders making the rounds of major centres in the Haseatic League in the 14th c. <br><br>The earliest DK example listed by Uldall is dated 1340, the latest 1420. So whether 'Nicolaus' just drank a lot & lived to be 100 or had heaps of foundry elves to help him ot remains to be seen; also, a distinction must be discerned between 'Nicolaus' (den Gamle, the Elder) and another 'Magister Nicolavs' who was active around the start of the 14th c.<br><br>Certainly the spelling 'Nicolaus' could indicate Prussian/Polish origins, possibly from Danzig (Gdansk) region. There were certainly trade routes established with Scandinavia & Kiev Rus from there & the other Imperial Cities, via the Baltic & North Seas. There is no way to establish whether the bell was cast on-site for the Stavkirke in Hedalen, Norway or arrived there
otherwise. As
the bell is
undated, there are still a lot of question marks about this one.<br><br>So the (extra word) 'Angelus' is probably not the founder's surname or a descriptor at all, but could refer to the bell itself as in: 'Nicolaus' made me (an 'Angel') or a bell made for ringing
the Angelus (hence, a 'Messenger'). <br><br>I'll keep hunting. Thanks again.<br><br>TH<br><br><br></font><div><div style="font-family:arial;"><br></div><div><div><font class="yiv131304739Apple-style-span" color="#2a2a2a" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv131304739Apple-style-span" style="line-height:17px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="font-family:arial;"><div style="font-family:arial;"><span class="yiv131304739Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;line-height:17px;"><div dir="ltr" style="line-height:17px;"> </div><div dir="ltr" style="line-height:17px;"> </div><div dir="ltr" style="line-height:17px;"><br></div></span><br>--- On <b>Fri, 22/2/13, John Camp
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wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><br>From: John Camp <camp@UY1cI1ZxEPC5mcm5moE3IROtapHhTu8CJvlJo417CiJ53qUCIMAylkL8D7cGpZoQODmAp455IV6CAQ.yahoo.invalid><br>Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Re: Nicolaus Angelus<br>To: bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>Received: Friday, 22 February, 2013, 4:33 PM<br><br><div class="yiv131304739plainMail">At 16:15 on 22 February 2013, Brian Meldon wrote:<br><br>> Is this the medieval bell at Hedal Stave Church? (Hedal stavkyrkje)<br><br>> If so the inscription reads:<br><br>> Nicolaus Angelus me fecit<br><br>> This translates to:<br><br>> Nicolaus the Englishman made me.<br><br>No it doesn't. "Angelus" is an angel or messenger. The Latin for<br>"English" is "Anglicus" or "Anglus".<br><br>As Pope Gregory said: "Non Angli, sed angeli – 'They are not Angles,<br>but angels'"<br><br>John Camp<br><br><br><br>------------------------------------<br><br>Yahoo! Groups Links<br><br><*> To visit
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