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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>George Dawson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 07 January 2014 11:28<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bell Historians] RE:
MODERATE -- george@gadawson.wanadoo.co.uk posted to bellhistorians</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Matthew Higby & Company Ltd, <a
href="http://www.bellhangers.com">www.bellhangers.com</a> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Richard says:<br>
>> In the case of Holy Trinity, Bradford on Avon, the 7th is<br>
>> listed because it is the heaviest extant bell produced by a<br>
>> 17th century founder, per the published criteria.<br>
><br>
> Great Bedwyn tenor (which is already listed) is larger and <br>
> heavier than Bradford 7th.<br>
<br>
You're right. But that's worrying because the Holy Trinity <br>
entry in their database specifically says it's listed <br>
because it's the "largest bell by this founder still <br>
extant</span></font><i><font size=4 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;color:#1F497D;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i><i><font size=4
color=red><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:red;font-style:italic'>in
Somerset</span></font></i><font size=2 color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>."<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.churchcare.co.uk/search?q=bradford+on+avon">http://www.churchcare.co.uk/search?q=bradford+on+avon</a><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>The Lists were originally produced by HB Walters in the 1920’s.
In the 1970’s & 1990’s they were revised & updated by the late Ran
Clouston. After he was ‘retired’ by the CCC, now CBC, I took over revisions
& updating using the criteria in the Code of Practice, until I too was
‘retired’. Since then the updating process has continued but I do not know who
has provided the impetus to do it. I suspect that it is now being done in areas
where active bell research is taking place. I know the likes of John
Greenhough, myself & others keep submitting suggestions as outsiders. But
who on the Committee is taking any responsibility for this work I do not know.</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>If you add the words </span></font><font size=2 color=red><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:red'>in red above</span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> to the Bradford
on Avon case then it is correct. I think that whoever did the Somerset revision
was too parochial, adding JT & G&J rings because they are ‘good’ in the
local context is NOT looking at the national picture.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Long gone are the days when the Bells Committee had only known
bell historians & field researchers on board.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>George</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o> </o></span></font><font size=2><span
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I’m sorry, but how can it be correct?  Bradford on Avon has
always been in Wiltshire, as have Preshute and Westbury (‘under the Plain’ as a
17<sup>th</sup> century write once helpfully described it)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Anne<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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