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<div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Bell from HMS <i>Erebus </i>featured in last week’s BBC programme on the ill-fated Sir John Franklin expedition last week looked in shape and character to be a Whitechapel product supplied in 1845. The date, in familiar Whitechapel type numerals is in relief between the inscription band or mulley groove; the broad arrow on the waist appeared to be incuse with perhaps a couple of smaller marks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for the Bell from HMS <i>Hood, </i>so very nearly lost in last year’s efforts to retrieve it, certainly the appearance is different, more reminiscent of the late 19<sup>th</sup> century and perhaps brought from the second <i>Hood </i>to the later ship, sunk by <i>Bismarck </i>in 1941. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>DLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/08/2015 09:27, 'George Dawson' <a href="mailto:george@gadawson.wanadoo.co.uk">george@gadawson.wanadoo.co.uk</a> <br>[bellhistorians] wrote:<br>> Whilst agreeing the canons look similar to Warner bells, I’d be more<br>> inclined on of the firms who produced ships bells, like Lea & Utley of<br>> St Helens (they produced the original & real Titanic bell)<br>><br><br>Since watching a tv programme about the finding of HMS Erebus, the ship <br>lost while searching for the NW passage, I have been interested to know <br>the origin of its bell, which was recovered from the wreck. See here <br><<a href="http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/33264">http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/33264</a>> (or many similar sites) <br>where the following info is included.<br><br>"The bell is intact and generally in very good condition. Two embossed <br>markings – introduced when the bronze bell was first cast – are evident <br>on the artifact: a Royal Navy “broad arrow” indicating property of the <br>British Government, as well as the date “1845".<br><br>The ship was built at Pembroke in 1826; Who would have been casting <br>ships bells at that time? Has anyone done any research specifically <br>concerned with ship's bells; origins, styles, traditions, tuning etc?<br><br>Ted<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>



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