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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default">As JC says,<span style="font-size:12.8px"> it all depends on what you mean by secular. I was asking everyone what <u>they</u> meant by the word. If a church is held in trust and has say, three services during the year - is this secular? It does not come under any Diocesan jurisdiction.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 April 2016 at 10:23, John Camp <a href="mailto:camp@bellringers.org">camp@bellringers.org</a> [bellhistorians] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><span class="">> These Oxford towers are all in private ownership and therefore<br>
> Secular.<br>
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You could say the same of Westminster Abbey or any other royal<br>
peculiar, but I wouldn't call them secular. Or does the Queen not<br>
count as a private owner?<br>
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At the risk of repeating myself, it all depends on what you mean by<br>
secular.<br>
<br>
What about Christ Church, Oxford, which is both a college chapel and a<br>
cathedral? The tower isn't physically part of the ecclesiastical<br>
building and, I strongly suspect, is owned by the college. Does that<br>
make it secular?<br>
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John Camp<br>
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