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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/04/2016 15:47, alan Buswell
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;">Both
the Ringing World and Dove say that these publications
are for 'Church Bell Ringers'. In my annual Q.P. reports
is a list of towers that lead their county. Some have
been in this position for a number of years. Not
included in these records until last year were quarters
rung on mini rings. Quarters on these may be a growing
trend. Presumably they are secular as they are not
church bells and could also be a leading tower. Is this
fair for church towers who, hopefully, try to be at the
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Are you suggesting that some may think quarters on mini-rings are
easier to score than those on church bells and that this may prevent
church towers becoming top in your qp analysis? Or is it that the
mini-rings, being secular may be too readily available to the owners
acquaintances and that this would have the same effect? In either
event I don't think sorting out the secular towers will make any
difference. <br>
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While I think that your analysis has much to commend it and I always
find it interesting, I fear that focus on the towers rather misses
the point. It is not the towers that score quarter peals but ringers
and there are many towers that could be quarter peal factories just
as happens with peals. In my local area if we wish to ring a quarter
peal for some reason of progression or learning we may arrange to
ring at a tower where there is no local band at all. We could, at
least in theory, ring enough quarters like this to come out as top
tower but the actual tower would have no bearing upon that
achievement at all. <br>
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I hope to ring a quarter peal next weekend in a secular tower that
was previously a church. The bells, when they went in were not just
bells in a church but were bells of a type and style known as church
bells; (a style that I acknowledge was also used in other
situations). Have they ceased to be church bells now because they
are no longer bells in a church? Are church bell ringers ringers
only of bells in churches? In the case of RW and Dove I am certain
that they are not. I think your problem is not just about separating
the secular and sacred but, as others have observed, what those
designations mean, and also about what we mean by church bells. <br>
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Ted<br>
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