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    <font face="Times New Roman">As for the other initials, they could
      well belong to the churchwardens. If the churchwardens' account
      books don't survive for this period, try seeing if the parish
      registers have been signed, or otherwise bear the scribe's or
      clerk's name. Also research the families of people appearing in
      the registers with the same initials - it could be that local
      worthies paid for the bells.<br>
      <br>
      I suppose it's unlikely, but could the M of MC and the W of CW be
      the same character, one of them accidentally cast upside down, and
      one of the pairs of initials similarly reversed? More likely
      though that one of the wardens was replaced.<br>
      <br>
      Lawrence Greenall, Waltham Abbey Historical Society.<br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/11/2017 16:15, 'Peter Rivet'
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peter@plrivet.plus.com">peter@plrivet.plus.com</a> [bellhistorians] wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I’ve
                  had a quick look at Dennis Greenwood’s booklet on <u>Post
                    Reformation Bellfounders of York</u> (1994), which
                  contains a lot of useful relevant information.  <o></o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">William
                  Seller, the first of the Seller family of founders, is
                  reckoned to have worked c. 1635-1687.  They generally
                  seem to have spelt the name Seller rather than
                  Sellars.  It’s just possible that this is by him.  His
                  early bells are generally found in Lincolnshire, which
                  suggests that during the mid seventeenth century he
                  was working there rather than York.  However there’s
                  no reason why a bell from there shouldn’t have found
                  its way to County Durham, especially if it came by
                  sea.<o></o></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Dennis
                  Greenwood comments that a noticeable feature of the
                  work of the 17<sup>th</sup>/18<sup>th</sup> century
                  York founders – the Smiths, the Sellers and the
                  Daltons – is that they arranged their moulding wires
                  (raised semicircular bands around the bell) in groups
                  of three.  This may be a useful clue.  <o></o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Peter
                  Rivet<o></o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">Lancaster<o></o></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"><o> </o></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                        style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"
                        lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"
                      lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</a>
                      [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com">mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com</a>] <br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 8, 2017 2:11 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Bell Historians
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com"><bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com></a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] Fw: Bell
                      Identification, Dalton le Dale, St.Andrew [4
                      Attachments]<o></o></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">  <o></o></p>
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                          style="font-size:9.0pt;">[<a href="#TopText"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="text-decoration:none;">Attachment(s)</span></a>
                          from Carl S Zimmerman included below]</span></b>
                      <o></o></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">The
                            attached inquiry is far outside my range of
                            expertise.  I hope that a few of you might
                            feel qualified to reply to the inquirer.<o></o></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;"> <o></o></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">Carl
                            Scott Zimmerman <br>
                            Saint Louis, Missouri, USA -<br>
                             - 19th c. home of at least 36 bell founders
                            or resellers <br>
                            Tel. +1(314)821-8437 <br>
                            Webmaster for <a
                              href="http://www.TowerBells.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">www.TowerBells.org</a><br>
                             * Avocation: tower bells<br>
                             * Recreation: handbells<br>
                             * Mission: church bells<o></o></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;"><o> </o></span></p>
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                                  ----- Forwarded Message -----<br>
                                  <b>From:</b> JEAN HAMILTON <<a
                                    href="mailto:jeanhamilton@btinternet.com"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">jeanhamilton@btinternet.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>To:</b> <a
                                    href="mailto:csz_stl@swbell.net"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">csz_stl@swbell.net</a>
                                  <br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 8,
                                  2017 7:50 AM<br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Bell Identification</span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;"><o></o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">Hello<o></o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">I
                                      am a member of Dalton le Dale
                                      History Society
                                      (dalton-le-dalehistorysociety.org
                                      ) Within our village we are lucky
                                      to have a 12th Century church St.
                                      Andrews.<o></o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">Recent
                                      work on the roof allowed access to
                                      the bell cote and photographs to
                                      be taken of the bells. We are
                                      subsequently interested in
                                      researching their history and
                                      would be grateful for any
                                      assistance you can provide.<o></o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;"><o> </o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">The
                                      first reference to bells in St.
                                      Andrews church was in the
                                      inventory ordered by the Bishop in
                                      1553: this included two bells in
                                      the steeple, one hand bell and one
                                      sacring bell. The next reference
                                      can be seen within a plaque on the
                                      south wall of the nave with the
                                      date 1631 and four sets of
                                      initials. Some of this information
                                      is repeated on the tenor bell. The
                                      raised letters are MC, ED, WS, and
                                      IT, together with the date
                                      1631.The initials on the plaque
                                      are CW, ED, WS and IT. There is
                                      therefore and anomaly between MC
                                      and CW. We suspect the initials WS
                                      may relate to William Sellars of
                                      York who made bells around 17th
                                      century. The initials MC could
                                      relate to the vicar of the church
                                      between 1621 and 1662 i.e. Matthew
                                      Cooper. The national bell register
                                      identifies the second bell as 14th
                                      century but does not bear any
                                      identifying features.<o></o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;"><o> </o></span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">I
                                      have attached photographs.<o></o></span></p>
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                                    style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black;">Many
                                      thanks for taking the time to read
                                      this.<o></o></span></p>
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