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It may be significant that the word Vandal seems not to have been
widely known at that time, thus increasing the likelihood that only
students of history would have been familiar with it. Looking
briefly at the earliest dictionaries at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.archive.org">www.archive.org</a>, the word is
not in <i>The interpreter, or, Booke containing the signification
of words</i> (1607)
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://archive.org/details/interpretero_cowe_1607_00/page/n530">https://archive.org/details/interpretero_cowe_1607_00/page/n530</a>),
or in <i>A Dictionarie of the French and English Tongues</i> (1632)
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_662_UDnHVvYC/page/n293">https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_662_UDnHVvYC/page/n293</a>). But
when we get to T<i>he new world of English words: or a general
dictionary: containing the interpretations of such hard words as
are derived from other languages ... together with all those terms
that relate to the arts and sciences</i> ... (1663), we find the
following entry:<br>
<br>
<i>Vandelberia</i>, the ancient name of a place in <i>Cambridgeshire</i>,
so called, for that in times past, the <i>Vandalls </i>or <i>Danes</i>,
there encamped themselves with a Trench and Rampire; it is thought
to have been the same with that which is now called <i>Wandlesbury</i>.<br>
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://archive.org/details/b30329905/page/n344">https://archive.org/details/b30329905/page/n344</a>)<br>
<br>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt"><i>Vandăli
</i>then has an extensive entry in <i>A large dictionary. In
three parts... III. The proper names of persons, places, and
other things necessary to the understanding of historians and
poets</i> ... (1677) which I will let you read for yourself
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://archive.org/details/b30324476/page/n1367">https://archive.org/details/b30324476/page/n1367</a>).</span><br>
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<br>
Wandlebury also came up in other googlings, for example:<br>
<br>
"Gervase of Tibury reports in his <i>Otia Imperialia</i> of about
1211: in England, on the borders of the diocese of Ely, there is a
town called Cantabrica, just outside of which is a place known as
Waldlebiria, from the fact that the Wandeli [Vandals], when ravaging
Britain and savagely putting to death the Christians, placed their
camp there."<br>
(<i>A Literary History of Cambridge</i>, Graham Chainey, 1995,
p.4-5).<br>
<br>
What student encamped in Cambridge wouldn't like to be thought of as
a <i>Vandal</i>?!<br>
<br>
Lawrence<br>
Getting this email past my spellchecker was a right pain!<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/04/2019 19:53, La Greenall wrote:<br>
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<font face="Times New Roman">If you have any of the names of these
ringers, it might be worth checking to see whether they were
Cambridge alumni. If a group of them wanted to found a
bellringing club, then such a generosity might well be
appropriate. If you don't have their names, can any name in the
parish registers of this date be found amongst the alumni? Or
was this church frequented by them? What inns or meeting rooms
were nearby?<br>
<br>
Vandals are (so to speak) free (of social conventions), and
could notionally have been a current nickname for uni students
at the time, when not studying. Therefore to make vandals of the
wheels was to make them free too - i.e. to allow them to spin
without restriction - but one problem is that it seems the
wheels already existed(?) and a second is the stays added to
them - countering their free movement.<br>
<br>
Lawrence<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/04/2019 19:39, La Greenall
wrote:<br>
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<font face="Times New Roman">One odd thing is the two ways 18s
is written. Surely xviijs would be paid by scholars, and 18s
by everyone else? Therefore, on this alone, perhaps it was a
mutual exchange of goodwill - could the ringing group have
just been founded and wanted to 'bless' the bells they were to
ring?<br>
<br>
I know this doesn't answer the crucial point - sorry!<br>
<br>
Lawrence<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/04/2019 15:56, <a
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<p><span><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;">I’ve
been puzzling over an entry in the churchwarden
accounts for Great St Mary’s in Cambridge. The
puzzle is that the ringers paid half the cost of
the work. This seems to have been a unique
occurrence. All earlier and later costs of work to
the bells, a least up to the 20th century, are
paid for by the parish. What prompted their
generosity? I am wondering if the work involved
might have been to make the wheels/fittings more
suitable for change-ringing, rather than the usual
essential repairs. The date is 1629/30 so it might
fit in with Tintinnalogia’s suggested timescale
for the introduction of change-ringing. However, I
can’t really make sense of what work was done. Can
anyone help with an interpretation, especially of
what vandalls were in this context?</span></span></p>
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<div class=""
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entry reads:<span class="" style="font-size:11px;"> “Item
for making vandalls of all the five wheeles & an
Iron Rowle for the tenure and new stays to all
the wheeles which amounted to 36 shillings whereof
the Schollers that were Ringers paid 18s and
the parish paid the other half which was xviijs”</span></div>
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class="" style="font-size:11px;">Any suggestions
gratefully received</span></div>
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